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281 days ago.
by Billdog
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GOP Now Eating Crow On ObamaCare

Its being reported all over, but you will not find it on Fox News or here on the tribune. So, I'll post the facts here and let the right wing eat crow.

 
 

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realytieredofit

From CNN early December

Sounding like a motivational speaker, President Barack Obama asked young supporters on Wednesday to encourage their peers to sign up for health coverage under his embattled reforms known both affectionately and derisively as Obamacare.

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

Still waiting for the poster called unitedfor(puh-tooey)truth to acknowledge the lies perpetrated by the Washington Examiner, as well as that silly comment about everything in the ACA being a lie -- I mean ALL of it.

You know, the whole thing.

As in the complete law.

The whole enchilada.

Totally.

100%.

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

I know this is probably way too much for you to comprehend, but I'll try 1 more time: one does not "sign up for Obamacare." There is no such thing as signing up for Obamacare.

As much as the right-wingnuts psss and moan about the ACA, I happen to be able to keep my group insurance precisely because it meets the mandates of the ACA -- always did, does, and will do.

So, no. I won't be signing up for Obamacare, since there is no such thing, and you know it, along with the rest of the Obammy-haters.

Posted 305 days ago.

reallytiredofit

How about YOU, bluetiered, have you signed up for Obamacare yet? After all, bluetiered , YOU are the one who was crying big elephant tears claiming that YOUR health care contributions went up $1000 and a deductible had been added. Heck for just YOU and YOUR daughter coverage costs through the exchange should be minimal, considering YOUR income level and all. Then YOU could really feel like a millionaire by having good hard working people subsidize YOUR costs.

Posted 305 days ago.

realytieredofit

Defeat, did you sign up for Obamacare yet? Would you recommend it for your fellow teachers?

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

Hey united!

What about the part that says kids can stay on their parents' policies until age 26? Is that a lie?

How about the part that prohibits denial of coverage due to pre-existing conditions? What about that "lie?"

Wait! Maybe it's the part that prohibits imposition of lifetime max benefits? Is it that? Is that a lie?

Are these lies, united?

(A simple yes or no will do.)

(Of course, a "no" to any of these items -- in other words, a truly truthful answer to my question -- will negate your entire premise and expose you for the run-of-the-mill, garden-variety Obammy-hater that you are.)

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

"Everything that has been sold to the public about this bill has been a lie. I mean, all of it."

So, let's see if I have this correctly united: when you say "everything," you mean "all of it?"

Let me get this straight -- so, according to you, at least, the word "everything" means "all of it?"

The two are, in effect, synonymous?

I mean, in the sense that they have identical meanings?

Even to the extent that they may be interchangeable?

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

So, there you go, united for(ahem)truth!

Got any more right-wingnut alarmist agit-prop you want me to expose for the worthless, well, propaganda that it is?

Huh, unitedfor(so-called)truth?

Wadda ya say now that you been taken to the woodshed and soundly thrashed?

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

And this: "The "boycott" claim originated with Richard Pollock, a reporter at the conservative Washington Examiner, whose piece doesn't appear to reflect how the California exchange actually works . . .

'That article was wrong,' says Molly Weedn, spokeswoman for the CMA. 'We have no idea how many doctors are participating. We don't collect that data.'

The CMA says Pollock offered his estimate of 70% nonparticipation to Thorp, the CMA president, who responded that it 'wouldn't surprise' him.

That was an error on Thorp's part; since his own organization doesn't have its own estimate, he should have kept his mouth shut. But it's the Washington Examiner that erected its big alarmist story on the basis of this tiny little foundation, and it's the anti-Obamacare right-wing noise machine that pumped it up to the volume of a shriek."

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

Matter of fact, united, if, in fact, you care about "truth," check this out:

"You may have heard recently that seven out of 10 California doctors were "boycotting" the state's Affordable Care Act exchange, known as Covered California.

At least, you've heard it if you've been following right-wing news sources such as Fox News, which is alive to the irony that so many physicians in "deep-blue California are rebelling against the state's Obamacare health insurance exchange and won't participate."

Like every other mention of this statistic, the Fox story hangs it on Dr. Richard Thorp, a rural internist who is president of the California Medical Assn.

In the news business, this yarn would be classified as "interesting, if true." But there are a few problems with it, starting with: It's not true.

In fact, according to Covered California, the only source with verifiable numbers, some 58,000 doctors, or more than 80% of the state's practici

Posted 305 days ago.

DefeatSBB5

"SBB5...Dr. Thorpe is President of the California Medical Association my man. Do you think the man is lying?"

No. I think the Washington Examiner is lying.

"When [Denver billionaire Philip] Anschutz started the Examiner in its daily newspaper format, he envisioned creating a conservative competitor to The Washington Post. According to Politico, 'When it came to the editorial page, Anschutz’s instructions were explicit — he 'wanted nothing but conservative columns and conservative op-ed writers,' said one former employee.' The Examiner's conservative writers include Byron York (National Review), Michael Barone (American Enterprise Institute, Fox News Channel), and David Freddoso (National Review, author of The Case Against Barack Obama).

So, I consider the source.

Posted 305 days ago.

liberalsurfdom

WOW, unitedfortruth, there sure is going to be an unemployment problem in the medical profession in California when those 70% of the doctors there quit practicing medicine. I wonder what field of work those Doctors will migrate to when they shut their practices down in 10 days from now?

Posted 305 days ago.

liberalsurfdom

Oh well at least birth control will be covered going forward.

Posted 305 days ago.

realytieredofit

If one believes that Obamacare has not had a cost impact to employer covered plans, then one is either naive, misinformed, or just plain stupid.

Posted 305 days ago.

liberalsurfdom

tiered, If you are not a participant in a ACA exchange then there is no way that the ACA could cause your health premium to go up by $1000.00 and a deductible clause added. What REALLY happened is your employer changed the coverage for their employees. You have a number of options available to you. 1. Get your insurance through a ACA exchange. 2. Quit your job and take your MBA to another employer who provides better benefits. 3. Join a Union and bargain collectively for your health care benefits. 4. Pay all of the medical expenses for you and your daughter yourself thus enabling you to be totally free in your health care choices. Have a great day and choose wisely.

Posted 305 days ago.

unitedfortruth

"The Obama administration Thursday night significantly relaxed the rules of the health-care law for millions of consumers whose individual insurance policies have been canceled, saying they could buy bare-bones health plans or entirely avoid the requirement that most Americans have health insurance.

The surprise announcement, four days before the Dec. 23 deadline for people to choose coverage that begins on Jan. 1, triggered an immediate backlash from the health insurance industry and raised new fairness questions about a law intended to promote affordable and comprehensive coverage.

“This type of last-minute change will cause tremendous instability in the marketplace and lead to further confusion and disruption for consumers,” said Robert Zirkelbach, spokeman for American’s Health Insurance Plans, the industry’s main trade group."---washingtonpost

WOW!!! Obama can just change the rules whenever he wants. What this man is doing to the office of the Presidency is outraageo

Posted 306 days ago.

unitedfortruth

Everything that has been sold to the public about this bill has been a lie. I mean, all of it.

Meanwhile, Obammy invoked the wars power act and is sending troops to south sudan.

Posted 306 days ago.

realytieredofit

You and your beloved Dr. Thorpe both need to LEARN MORE about the way the ACA works BEFORE you try spreading fear and panic about the ACA.

Ok. As a a single parent how is ACA helping me? I was expecting a $2500 savings according to Obsma!

Instead I got $1000 increase in premium and a first deductible in my plan.

Democrats cost me big money. No way would you get my vote!

Posted 306 days ago.

unitedfortruth

SBB5...Dr. Thorpe is President of the California Medical Association my man. Do you think the man is lying? Maybe youknow more about what the Doctors in California are doing more than he does? Maybe he is just making it up to....what did you say.....spread fear and panic.

You are wrong....flat out.

Posted 306 days ago.

unitedfortruth

It's not just patients; thousands of doctors now being dropped from Obamacare coverage networks

"NaturalNews) Don't look now, America, but another very predictable consequence of Obamacare is beginning to play out.

Not only are customers losing their insurance plans - the plans Obama said they could keep - but now, insurance companies are dropping physicians from coverage plans as well.

As reported by The Wall Street Journal:

UnitedHealth Group, Inc., the nation's largest provider of privately managed Medicare Advantage plans, has dropped thousands of doctors from its networks in recent weeks - spurring protest from lawmakers and physician groups and leaving many elderly patients unsure about whether they need to switch plans to keep seeing their doctors...."

Posted 306 days ago.
 
 
 
 

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