Say a prayer, and let God sort it out
DEAR EDITOR:
Recently there have been salvos traded back and forth for and against gay rights. Christian against non-Christian or Christian against Christian.
Verses from the Bible have been thrown back and forth like bean bags at a Fourth of July picnic. Most Christians believe that God's law, the Bible, supersedes man's law, and like to say that homosexuality is against God's law. Well, I have to disagree.
Yes, God calls homosexuality an abomination and warns believers to avoid contact with these people. But that's not a law, that's advice. God's laws can be found in the book of Exodus written on two tablets of stone. Nowhere in the Ten Commandments is homosexuality even mentioned. To say that anything God says in the Bible is law is ridiculous.
Jesus came to free us from the law not enslave us to it. The case was made recently that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorra because of their lifestyle. Nothing could be further from the truth. God destroyed the two evil cities because he could find only one individual among thousands, maybe tens of thousands, who believed in Him. The cities were completely devoid of any love for God, save one man, Lot. If you don't believe me read the story for yourself, Genesis, Chapters 18 and 19.
To say that homosexuals are going to hell for being gay is to say that an alcoholic is going to hell for being a drunk. This just isn't so. Besides, there are true born-again Christians who are gay. What about them? To say that they are going to hell is to say that a straight Christian who smokes or drinks alcoholic beverages is going to hell also. That's not true either.
This is a complicated issue with a simple answer. If Christians think homosexuals are wrong, then they should pray for them, not with disdain, but with the love of God. Pray for them all, and let God sort them out.
Paul P. Lubianetzky
Howland
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RaiderinWesterville
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06-30-09 2:11 PM
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colleen - Good Luck!
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colleen
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06-29-09 8:29 AM
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Wait, what? Let me get this straight: different versions of the bible are written different ways??? No way. King James version is biased and discriminatory?? Yet you still want us to believe this collection of unreliably written (as Bob says) ancient stories is the final word on how human kind should live? Which version should one follow? No thanks, I'll pass. I think I know (without unreliable ancient writings) how to be a decent human being.
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Tristan
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06-27-09 8:38 AM
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Raider, are you saying you're above the "biblical law" and won't be judged as an equal to the rest of us mere mortals. If you believe in spreading the "biblical" view then you must accept it all, not pick and choose. I don't hear you condemning the many Republican Senators who have committed adultery and biblical law states they are to be "stoned to death."
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RaiderinWesterville
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06-27-09 1:22 AM
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TB - He knows how I feeel and he doesn't agree BUT he is my brother period. Tristan - You will answer some day and not to me. estimatedprophet - Whatever. You aren't worth arguing with. Everyone have a safe and great weekend!
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estimatedprophet
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06-26-09 11:29 PM
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Hey Bob - Why don't you clarify things for us already? You too, Raider - How does that marriage thing work again?
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Tristan
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06-26-09 5:59 PM
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Raider in Westerville: Since you like to quote scripture I have a few for you and please let us know if you follow them. According to Leviticus "farmers are not to reap to the edge of the field."? Would you put to death those who "shave their beards" or have "tattoos"? Both forbidden in Leviticus. Do you believe "slavery" is ok, women are "property" of men and "adulterers" be put to death? If any of your friends or family read horoscopes would you "stone" them? Finally, if you were in a room that I entered, would you follow the directive of Leviticus, "Rise in the presence of the aged."
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colleen
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06-26-09 5:15 PM
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Therein lies the problem, Raider. You believe the bible is some holy, sacred word. I don't. Yet you feel I have to follow it. Again, you are imposing YOUR views and beliefs on ME. All legal unions should be called civil unions. If you want to be 'married', then along with your civil union, make the effort in a church -- IF that's what you believe in. My children can camp with, be taught by and befriend homosexuals. Perhaps one of my children may be homosexual. Who knows? But I will love and accept them no matter what. However, my children can't camp with pedaphiles and/or religious right wackos.
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RaiderinWesterville
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06-26-09 4:27 PM
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"...For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." Matthew 19: 5-6 (quoting from Genesis 2:24) The definition of marriage IS that it is between a man and a woman . People have tried to change the definition and most states have had elections and the people have voted not to change it. There is no reason why people want to fight this if gay people can have the same rights without calling it marriage. My only objections are marriage, adopting children and things like the whole Boy Scout fiasco. People have a right to not want their children camping with homosexuals. The only thing I can do is to continue to vote against it and tell as many people as I can how wrong gay marriage is. People like you Colleen make me want to fight even harder. YOU are the one who wants to redefine marriage.
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colleen
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06-26-09 2:44 PM
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Marriage as defined by whom???? You??? Maybe MY definition of marriage does include members of the same sex marrying. I don't impose my views on you yet you want to impose yours on others by saying only 'these' kinds of people can get married and 'those' kind can't. And I have said repeatedly that others may believe what they want (for you gay marriage is wrong) but not impose it on others - which is what you are doing by defining marriage as only between a man and a woman. TB - nativios comment to Bob made me smile. Bob's reply made me laugh. I'm sure Bob will appreciate your clarification!!
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RaiderinWesterville
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06-26-09 11:54 AM
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colleen - I have a brother who is gay also and it is still wrong. I'm sorry about your brother's health. I have repeatedly stated that I have no problems with civil unions that give many of the same rights but not marriage. Call it something else because marriage defined as being between a man and a woman. The problem with many people is if a person does not agree with gay marriage then they are haters or they are discriminating. TB - You are just trying to pick a fight because you know what I mean. You can drill a hole in a piece of wood and call it your partner or whatever but I don't need to know about it and you can't marry it.
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colleen
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06-25-09 10:09 PM
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Wow, 'stop spreading the disease of homosexuality'. That's nice, Bob. I wasn't aware that homosexuality was a disease nor that it could be spread. I am aware though that Bob has made a full-time job of posting his ignorance on many blogs. Raider - 'as long as no special treatment is given due to being gay'. You must mean that gay couples should not be given the same rights as hetero couples. Giving homosexual couples the same rights does not give them preferential treatment in any way; rather it treats them the same as all others. My brother is 60 years old, just found out he has terminal brain cancer. He's being cared for by his life partner. Yes, he's gay and he's been with Jimmy for years and years. They don't bother anybody, they don't ask for special treatment. I guess that doesn't matter in Raider and Bob's worlds.
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nativio289
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06-25-09 4:34 PM
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Don't worry, you're doing a fine job of representing yourself and your thoughts. Anyone who can read and comprehend will have no problem of seeing exactly how you stand on the issues you type on.
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KStiles
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06-25-09 12:30 PM
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This atheist commends your letter Paul.
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RaiderinWesterville
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06-25-09 11:50 AM
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"If Christians think homosexuals are wrong, then they should pray for them, not with disdain, but with the love of God. Pray for them all, and let God sort them out." This is the only correct thing you said in the entire article. Bob might mean why do people want to have homosexuality taught as a normal choice in schools. I do not want this taught to my children. I will teach them that it is wrong and sinful but that they should be tolerant and pray for them. Homosexuality is immoral and wrong period. This is America so you have the right to disagree. As long as the definition of marriage isn't changed and no special treatment is given due to being gay then I could care less what or who anyone sleeps with. I just don't need to know about it or have it shoved in my face the way Hollywood does.
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JHollis
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06-25-09 10:59 AM
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As a last word ... and because we need a little perspective and humor .... some comedian (cannot remember who) said that he supports gay marraige because gay people have the right to be just as miserable as everyone else.
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JHollis
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06-25-09 10:54 AM
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Paul -- As a sworn and faithful agnostic, let me say "Amen!" BobC -- In case you don't understand TB, let me spell it out for you ..... Your response to having a lifestyle "forced" on you is to force YOUR lifestyle on OTHERS. Does not make a lot of sense to calm, rational people. You are more than welcome to your feelings and opinions .... you are even welcome to educate your children and share your feelings with like-minded individuals .... but if you spread your hate-mongering bigotry around me, I will expose it for what it is. That is not how I bring up my children. Oh, and BTW .... if you are judging others, it is you who is the sinner, according to your own code.
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colleen
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06-25-09 10:31 AM
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Paul - Thanks for the first religious based letter that I can understand and stomach. Love, tolerance, acceptance instead of fear, rejection and hate.
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