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Face off on fracking

A heated issue (video)

July 30, 2013

WARREN — More than 250 visitors from around the state attended an anti-hydraulic fracturing rally behind the city’s historic courthouse, talking about possibly dangerous water being pumped into......

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Jul-31-13 7:35 AM

"Can't be treated"

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Jul-31-13 7:34 AM

Why do government elites, lets call Hagan ONE, not tell us why these fracking by products be treated and harmlessly released, why MUST they be injected back into the earth, come on Hagan do some talking before you ride off into the sunset, that's right forget about that Senate seat, it'll NEVER happen.

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Jul-31-13 12:15 AM

I'm afraid most of you are nearsighted on this topic. When I start to see advertisements telling me that fracking is safe and protestors taking to the street fighting for and against it tells me there are still SERIOUS issues & concerns that even the lawmakers are not sold on but blinded by all the $$$$$. Why were the people of Ohio not allowed a say so by vote on this??? Where are the reports from Geologists, scientists and others to explain the instability fracking causes and the little known side effects of sinkholes and earthquakes. So, about the jobs, what a joke. I saw this little (locator) utility truck that had Texas license plates. Certainly there had tobe someone from Ohio that could have been sub-contracted out for THAT job. That's when I really became irate about the whole thing. First the environmental concerns, now dumping. Are you aware that New York city has contracted to send their garbage here to dump as well. WTH, Ohio and its population gets NO respect.

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Jul-30-13 9:05 PM

Both sides can be satisfied. If the area misses this opportunity for jobs, the area is done for a very, very long time. Warren City needs to beautify the area, seriously hammer down on the crime to attract oil workers to Warren. One benefit of Warren is low-price housing cost. Remember, Boardman, Canfield, Howland, Niles, and other smaller areas are also attracting oil workers to their areas. So Warren really needs to compete for the money to benefit restaurants, city services like new police cruisers, new stations for the police, fire and other safety forces. Fix the roads and so on...This is your chance, once they go somewhere else, they can side drill underneath you and benefit some other area while you sit atop not knowing what is going on underneath you.

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Jul-30-13 7:15 PM

So much for unbiased news coverage, move over China and Russia.

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Jul-30-13 6:57 PM

nativio289- If the shoe!!

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Jul-30-13 6:05 PM

"Gray-haired hipsters, youthful college students, trailer park residents...expressing concerns about the quality of their water and the air around them at gas and injection well sites around the state.."

Ray? really? "Trailer park residents"?

Was that a joke? Or an attempt to label the anti-frackers as morons?

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Jul-30-13 5:42 PM

Thats a photo of 250 people who don't know crap from shinola.

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Jul-30-13 3:25 PM

What a photo op! If I could insert a picture in the dictionary beside the word "Political posturing" this would be it...

I like Doug, he's a decent well intentioned man who I believe is doing his best. Unfortunately he's a Politician and as such he's locked in a perpetual con game.

A con game involving living well at tax payer expense, telling your constituents whatever it takes to get votes, and pretending to dislike your co-conspirators across the partisan isle!

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Jul-30-13 3:24 PM

Yes, fracking has been going on since the 70's. That is fact.

But what is also fact is the industry never really got good at it. There really isn't an acceptable failure rate for this kind of drilling. One well casing failure out of thousands and you destroy an entire ecosystem. Look at the gulf of mexico.

Look up louisCK and oil or god on ytube, he explains it better than me.

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Jul-30-13 2:54 PM

Everything i've read and seen points towards fracking (horizontal that is) being not really as dangerous as environmentalists depict it, but not really as safe as the gas companies depict it. Thats about the only thing i'm sure of.

Any time you see "Jobs Jobs Jobs" as a slogan, you can be sure you're being screwed over somehow. BP is the biggest player in this area, and to my knowledge they havent hired a single person here. They use all their own existing crews for everything. Look at their website, they have only 3 jobs available in the entire state of ohio.

If you think fracking is going to save this area and transform it back to the steel mill days, then you're dead wrong. At most it'll make a select few wealthy, and the already poor will be the same or worse.

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Jul-30-13 2:26 PM

Does the money paid to Rubinstein and Associated also pay for the blogger comments against the protestors?

Just curious. I would love to get into low-rent PR in this area and was wondering what monies paid to me for propaganda actually pay for!

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Jul-30-13 1:36 PM

"Visitors from around the state" pretty well sums up the impact of outside agitators. Follow the money. Who really is financing this road show?

Look at the pictures. One side looks well financed and the other side not so much.

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Jul-30-13 12:19 PM

These imported, protesting, activists without real jobs, claim to care and/or want able bodied workers to drink 'cleaner' water breathe 'cleaner' air all while they are spending your tax dollars, flying around in oil industry fueled private jets polluting and there are actually dumbassses that believe this propaganda! Amusing!

Anyone ever heard a kid say they wanted to grow up and be an activist? *SMH* LoL!

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Jul-30-13 11:46 AM

Well, all money comes from the sale of goods and services. I actually think I'll request to have that engraved on my tombstone. The sale of natural gas and oil creates revenue in which employees pay income taxes as well as the business, which pays for their sorry arses. They are too stupid to know they are fighting for people to have less money, thereby there will be less to carry them. Fracking has been going on since 1970s and no one complained or even knew about it until now since we have an anti-energy admin in the house. If we're lucky one of those in the protest today could be our next pres, HA HA! No seriously, the frackers need to follow the rules and be good stewards of the earth.

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Jul-30-13 11:11 AM

Great rebuttal

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Jul-30-13 10:59 AM

I love how not only all the posters and signs in that pic are printed in the same colors, their by the same designer.

Talk about AstroTurfing.

If enough people really believed the gas industry was the save all for Ohio, don't you think their public displays would be a bit more organic?

I bet there's on lobby staffer that carries a stack of these around in his van for photo ops just like this. I wonder who carries the rubble and mission accomplished banners.

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Jul-30-13 10:35 AM

AP- "Also, I bet a large percentage of the local workers who need a job will be unable to pass a drug test or possess the work ethic these companies will need."

I'm sorry, you said your fellow citizens were lazy(not uneducated) and drug users.

Does talking crap on the internet about other people make you feel better about yourself?

Very weak.

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Jul-30-13 10:08 AM

The reason the EPA does not force companies to recycle and reuse the frac water is the same reason they went after Patriot Water. They don't get paid. They collect a fee for every gallon that gets injected, but nothing for recycled water. Seems counterproductive to what they are SUPPOSED to be doing which is protecting the environment, but they have lost their way and have become power hungry quasi-legislators. The technology is here. Let's use it.

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Jul-30-13 9:05 AM

NE Ohio has become a vast dumping ground for the out-of-state and foreign corporate vultures poisoning our water supply irrevocably. They get hundreds of millions of yankee dollars and we get billions of gallons of their pollution. Maybe after the destruction is complete the truth that water is more valuable than oil will finally sink into polluted minds and prostituted politicians; but then it will be too late.

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Jul-30-13 9:00 AM

NO MORE FRACKING, NO MORE MANUFACTURING, NO MORE JOBS, NO, NO, NO. If all of you no nos want to see the reason our manufacturing has left our country. Take a look in the mirror. Then think about life without oil and gas and all the products that YOU use everyday, while protesting the industry that created it. Just the thought of being more energy independent should excite every American. And remember economics 101, jobs are created by private industry that in business to make a profit. How many people did you hire this year?

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Jul-30-13 8:32 AM

Fireball573 I said out of state workers. You're comparing workers from another country. Your right, I'd take American workers to. Where did I say our local workforce is uneducated? I said we don't have the skilled trades at the volume that will be needed. That means we have people in this area with those skills, but not enough of them. As for not passing a drug test, that's the disappointing truth. You need to take some reading comprehension classes.

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Jul-30-13 7:16 AM

Obama latest appointment Ron Binz to the Fed Energy Regulatory Comm Or FERC It oversees Electric transmission and Pipelines. Ron Binz believes this agency has the power to legislate rules and laws bypassing Congress. Obama is using EPA to crush power companies and will finish the job thur FERC and the radical Ron Binz

Where has Tim Ryan been? This man is silent on issues effecting Ohio. Oh,its not election time.

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Jul-30-13 7:14 AM

mrright, maybe you could write a book called "That Darned *****".

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Jul-30-13 7:10 AM

"Visitors from around the state" pretty well sums up the impact of outside agitators.

Follow the money.

Who really is financing this road show?

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