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July 28, 2013

DEAR EDITOR: Is it time to ask more questions, or demand answers? I am a private citizen who never held public office. I am a person among many wanting to know how this U.S.A....

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Aug-03-13 4:54 PM

No one is buying that retarded comic book.

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Aug-03-13 2:58 PM

Only one answer and its universal, "THE PROFIT MOTIVE". Self destruction from a selfish motive.

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Aug-02-13 2:48 PM

I am not a Baby Boomer; I was born August, 1936--soon to be 77 and Depression influenced. I did not edit my wording properly regarding Detroit's population; Should have read. "way less han a 1.000,000."

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Aug-02-13 12:25 PM

Mandatory Mullets posted, "Patrick, I assume you are a member of the boomer generation."

Your assumption was very wrong. The boomer generation is generally from 1946 to 1964.

Patrick was born in 1936, during the Great Depression Era.


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Aug-01-13 6:48 PM

Deadbeat is projecting her own inadequacies.

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Aug-01-13 6:46 PM

"corporations do have feelings,"

No they don't, bot.

And you should stop defiling your pathetic screen name.

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Aug-01-13 1:59 PM

From article: "Back so many years ago in my day, we had families that were families. We had parents that were parents. We had punishment that was punishment, both in the schools and then at home. Does any of this still exist?" -NO

From Article: "Back in my day we had so many of our students attaining stature both following through with a higher education and without. Can this still be said today?" -NO

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Aug-01-13 11:09 AM

"a city that has shrunk in population to way less than 100,000 persons living there."

Another rambling, incoherent, factually incorrect rant by the master himself.

Is this the best this "newspaper"'s editorial page has to offer?

(By the way, Patrick -- Detroit's pop. has shrunk to 713,000, from a peak of 1.8 million 60 years ago, so your letter should have read "under 1,000,000, maybe. But heck! 100,000 . . . 1,000,000 -- they both have so many numbers! Who can keep all that straight anyway, eh Pat?)

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Aug-01-13 10:23 AM

Liemonger, corporations do have feelings, they are human so they have to have feelings. Don't believe me? ask your idol-Romney.

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Aug-01-13 3:42 AM

Chad: You are right Fracking will make this area prosper but then you have the EPA, they are misinforming like the rally at the courthouse square. Hey, if the EPA says its true it must be! But they will not educate themselves because they already know everything! You can state all the facts & you are a liar. I feel why waist my time & get called horrible things. I am to old to get a job & in that way it doesn't effect me. But the ones who could get a really good paying job uses that as an excuse, you can't fix stupid!

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Jul-31-13 9:59 PM

Why is there still flight from these towns? Good, educated people go where the opportunities are. Some try to save their home towns, and get frustrated by lack of support and business as usual tactics. So, people make new lives elsewhere and contribute to other societies and prosper. Warren actually has great education systems. The Return on Investment(ROI) for Warren is very poor. Lack of jobs, lack of luring new jobs into Warren makes young people go to college elsewhere, stay there and move on to bigger cities and their suburbs to prosper. People come back to Warren to see their some areas decline, no new buildings erected, same old stuff going on that went on decades ago, just the faces are older. Oil and Gas is the game now...and Warren is missing the boat once again. Youngstown, Boardman, Austintown, and others will make the adjustments to this new market and benefit from it...Warren has to compete with these other towns..will it? I hope so.

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Jul-31-13 2:48 AM

the more immoral and less spiritual we have become as a society, the easier it has become for us to turn our back on it.

you cannot tie it down to just one thing. you can however blame society as a whole, meaning all of us as a group for allowing it to happen.....i include myself.

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Jul-31-13 2:45 AM

as a society,, we have let morality and spirtuality become less and less important. the lazy do absolutely nothing govt supported lifestyle eventually became just as rewarding or even more rewardning than putting in hard work and effort to earn your own money and/or your degree.

we are witnessing the consequences of those things.

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Jul-30-13 6:34 PM

Technology, standardization and logistics. Those three explain why everything is the way it is.

Lordstown is doing awesome with GM, but on a tiny fraction of the workforce that building cars in the 60's and 70's required. Did you know they actually paid people to paint cars? Not any more, it's all robots. Technology has eliminated jobs in every sector.

Standardization and logistics have revolutionized the way we transport goods all over the planet. The Valley just got dumped a bad hand of cards on this one. Had the American steel industry started in east Texas or Southern California it would probably be a live today. The valley is just not in a good position globally to be of much value on a logistical perspective. It worked well when the region was the primary market, but that's been on the way out for about 80 years.

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Jul-29-13 10:16 PM

" greedy corporation's "

Corporations are entities, moron. They don't have feelings.

Now, get back to your MoonSNBatv.

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Jul-28-13 1:27 PM

In reference to the posts that talk about greedy corporations, I offer this fact: corporations are not un business to hook people up. I know it is a harsh reality. Businesses exist to make a profit. You need to accept this and figure out a way to make it work for you. That's the game. The reason a lot of cities saw a loss of population is what a few posters have said. People started making more money and wanted a newer house in the suburbs. Why stay in the old neighborhoods if they don't have to? Especially with rising crime and other BS. Could there be racial motivations, yes there could be but seems like more of a side effect than the reason, but who really knows. All this racial divide is part of big Washington's plan. Stop falling for it.

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Jul-28-13 10:46 AM

Before the train, people populated the east cost and travel to the United States' interior was slow and dangerous.

It's been said the train opened the west because it was fast and relatively safe.

Since then we've become a more mobile society and jobs that kept us working until retirement are becoming more rare through the years.

In short, society is more capable of moving longer distances and rather cheaply.

The jobs that might've once kept us locked into a community, no longer provide security that would cause us to stay put.

It's just the way it is.

Warren, Youngstown, Chardon, Ravenna and other cities that enjoy being the county seats tend to have more "pull", on people because of their being the seats of county government.

But ... rising crime and driving 50-60mph, gives citizens the means to live outside the city.

If crime can be somewhat controlled in the cities, I know of a lot of people who would rather live in town.

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Jul-28-13 8:03 AM

These cities started going down long before NAFTA and other trade agreements. People started leaving Warren for Howland and Youngstown for Boardman in the 50's. When people start making money they want new. That is why I am against any plan to redo the old. Demolish and build, not redo old buildings and houses. Unlike some areas of the country, a century home around here is just a real old house, not something to be desired.

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Jul-28-13 8:00 AM


Its apparent that you've never left the country. Most of these slave labor countries live better on $10 per day than we do here in the good old USA.

The few countries where slave labor exists are normally dictatorships, othodox Muslim, or both. These are not places where one can do business.

Corporations didn't decide to move, gov't regulation forced them to move. 99% of US pollution was eliminated by 1985, but gov't never declares victory. We have since tripled the EPA to get that last 1%. The labor dept called Boeing a criminal for starting a unionized plant in SC after the workers voted out the union. Regulatory compliance and payroll taxes peg the true cost of a minimum wage employee at around $12/hr.

Labor makes up less than 6% of the manufacturing cost of most products. Why would a rational business risk a world supply chain, fickle gov'ts, and wild energy prices to save a buck on labor?

It's not business that kills jobs, its the gov't stupid.

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Jul-28-13 7:23 AM

All those problems in my opinion can be summed up in a nutshell. It all started when greedy corporation's decided to move to a country that would do their bidding for slave labor. Therefore creating a snowball effect. With no good paying jobs crime and other social problems are going to erupt.

These Greedy Corporations are now starting to pay the price however. There are less people now that can afford to buy their garbage that is made by slaves that they ship in and try to sell.

As an average Joe with no degree in economics, I was able to figure it out. But you never hear the high college degree folks or politicians having any common sense to have figured that one out. Its never talked about.

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Jul-28-13 7:21 AM

simple, drugs and no jobs that pay.

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Jul-28-13 6:52 AM


Is everything about race with you?

People left the city because the houses wore out and the people that could afford better did. When they left the city and found property taxes lower, no income taxes and not as much gov't red tape, they started to leave the cities in droves. Who wants to see their money go to support a bunch of government employees working against them?

Busing, public housing, etc. are not about making things better for poor people, they're about making middle class people's lives miserable. Rich people don't care. They don't send their kids to public schools and their neighborhoods aren't Section 8 eligible. Forget race, would you want your kids to go to school with a bunch of lowlifes who only know how to pop out kids and collect a gov't check?

Eventually, even the middle class minorities leave and all you have left in the city are a bunch of feral cattle living off of gov't checks.

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Jul-28-13 6:33 AM

As well they should. Why would a person of any color continue to live in high crime areas when they can do better for themselves? I most certainly would not. Once again the white race is to blame for the condition of Detroit when in reality it's government taxing businesses to the point that they leave. What was left behind? That's obvious. A city that is 47% functionality illiterate. A huge percentage of those are black. Who's fault is that? I think it's time for black entrepreneurs to take their money to Detroit and pupil that city from its ruins by establishing businesses that employ the black community that resides there. It's time for AA athletes that are earning billions in this country to give back to these poor, uneducated communities by creating jobs for their people. Quit bit ching about what you don't have and earn what you need and want. The last I knew, a high school education was free in this country.

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Jul-28-13 6:21 AM

I concur with your opinion Patrick, however, the world you and I grew up in is dead and buried and it's not coming back. Today it's every man for himself unfortunately. Our country rewards bad behavior at every turn and our voters keep returning convicted politicians to office. I don't know what the answer is, but I've made my world smaller and only concern myself with the here and now.

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Jul-28-13 5:48 AM

The answer is simple. When forced busing was instituted to balance the school populations in the 1960's white flight occurred leaving the poor blacks behind in the inner cities while the white population moved out to the suburbs taking their higher incomes and jobs with them. There is no answer because most of the white population will always choose to live away from the black population because of fear and racial hate.

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