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Clean sweep?

On April 17, officials indicted 97 suspects in a major one-day operation. But has it had a lasting effect on crime in Warren?

July 21, 2013

Rachael Hathorn can’t say for sure whether crime has declined in her neighborhood since April 17....

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Jul-21-13 4:15 AM

Two H's in Hathhorn.

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Jul-21-13 4:39 AM

Er,.. Three, actually. Should be three total.

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Jul-21-13 6:03 AM

Poverty, Drugs, and Guns are the foundation for crime activity. Warren is full of them every single day.

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Jul-21-13 7:01 AM

I disagree with your assertion that poverty is is the foundation for crime, WP. My family's roots are those of extreme poverty, coming to this country with absolutely nothing, and then not being able to get work because of having an ethnic last name. The difference is that we didn't come with a sense of entitlement. When my grandfather saw the television set in the department store window, he set his mind to work hard (by the way, he had to change his last name, he had to "Americanize " it, to get hired) until he could afford one for his family. And he saved the money he had, he didn't blow it on drugs. Many people today see the TV in Wal-Mart and say, hey, let's do some looting, I'm a victim, I'm entitled. There is no morality, there is absolutely no sense of self-responsibility, but most of all, it is the victim mentality that drives people to commit crimes and feel no remorse in doing so.

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Jul-21-13 7:16 AM

The sweeps to combat crime sends a clear message, to the criminals. But they also know in most cases, that there will be plea deals and they will be back out on the streets doing business as usual. Criminals know that our jail system is maxed out, so fines and probation is the most they will get. Instead of packing the jails with DUI's, prostitution and domestic cases, put the real criminals away. I'm not saying DUI's, prostitution or domestic cases are nothing, but they take up jail space. I'd rather have a drug dealer, or illegal gun activity person locked up first. They are the real menace to society, and downgrades Warren appeal to attract new business. Drug activity has far reaching affects to the community and surrounding areas. Drugs promotes all kinds of crimes, plus destroys neighborhoods, and most importantly affects our youth.

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Jul-21-13 8:50 AM

The big problem crime is that it is everywhere. People today much rather be their sons and daughters friend instead of being a parent. Some kids today are not taught respect and hard work or the value of money. These kids that aren't taught how to do those three things see selling drugs as easy quick money. You can come from a rich family and turn out that way. They much rather work for 10mins doing a drug deal then work eight hours at a factory. Until parents go back to being parents this cycle will never end. This has nothing to do about living in Warren either I seen drug bust in bazetta to.

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Jul-21-13 8:56 AM

Drug addiction is a serious affliction, and those afflicted need sympathy, support, treatment, and help to throw off the chains of their addictions, BUT....

Criminalized narcotics is making a bad situation worse. Drug dealers will step up to supply the market for mind altering drugs, at inflated prices. These steep black market prices cause the property crimes that pay for the drugs, the high profits cause the rival dealer shootouts, and the taxpayers have to pay for the large drug enforcement bureaucracy to sort out this mess.

Decriminalize narcotics. Let's live in peace.

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Jul-21-13 10:26 AM

GREAT COMMENT thebear. I could not agree more. I can recall when I was young, living on not a whole lot more than dried beef on toast and oatmeal. Times were tough for my parents, I will not say we were extreme poverty, but, we sure were way below average. My parents never felt entitled, they both worked hard. Eventually, they bought a house and a car. But it took year. We never had fancy stuff. My mom made our clothes, we had no TV, my sister and I played outside. With all of that said, there was never any drugs or illegal activity in my home. Neighbors helped each other, families helped each other. Poverty is not an excuse for drugs or crime. My grandparents worked hard during the depression, taught my parents the same work ethic. They passed it to me. I see way too many people as oyu said thingk they NEED, or deserve the big TV, the nice car, or top of the line sneakers and clothes. THAT is what attract drugs and crime, the false sense of NEEDING things, or entitlement as you state

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Jul-21-13 10:33 AM

Yesterday the Tribune posted a teaser for the Sunday Trib on FaceBook. It promised a story about crime rates in Warren. One stat was you have a 1 in 160 chance of being a victim in Warren and a 1 in 325 chance overall in Ohio.

When I didn't see the story today, I went back to FaceBook and the teaser is gone!

I know I didn't dream this- where is the article and did anyone else see the teaser?

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Jul-21-13 10:34 AM

"Poverty" is the excuse that certain races like to use to justify their criminal behavior.

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Jul-21-13 10:51 AM

The worst criminals in this town collect checks from the city and carry badges.

Crime's easy when you own a prosecutor.

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Jul-21-13 11:35 AM

The problem is WP failed to list the "why" of his comment, which might be helpful here. Let me try to explain why folks feel entitled but first say this is not MY VIEW!!!

Poverty is indeed the 1st denominator for crime, the difference being white families like Bear had no history of discrimination, denial of jobs, loans or services dating back 100's of years which give birth to the "entitlement" attitude.

Some poor blacks hear stories and see in their families folks who worked hard all their lives for nothing. They get the worst jobs, least pay, are targeted by police and get kicked in life being decent citizens.

Finally the youth say NO, I'm not living like that I want mine now, I want it for free, and because of what your folks did to mine, you "OWE ME".

Again! this is NOT MY PHILOSOPHY!!! I am explaining the thought process of certain youth and how those irrational conclusions are reached.

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Jul-21-13 11:39 AM

This pattern persists when some whites fail to reward decency with decency. This causes black youth to see no matter how decent, friendly & law abiding I am, as a black man they will still call you niqqer, follow you in stores, deny you opportunities and think of you as a thug or hoodlum.

In some ways whites cause a self fulfilling prophesy by judging all black folks alike. Many blacks never get a chance to experience being treated equally for being decent human beings, they see themselves being treated poorly no matter how God fearing, law abiding & decent the are.

So their children see this and figure what's the use? We'll never get recognized or respected for our good deeds, my hard working parents got treated like dirt, I want my good life like YOU have and you OWE ME.

That is the rationale, black folks feel free to correct me if I am wrong! Whites can't correct me since you have no idea what goes on in our minds, hearts or households...

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Jul-21-13 12:16 PM

Nomorecrap, I can see your point. And could agree to a lot of what you said. BUT, until your comment, WP, the bear, nor I, mentioned race. Poverty is an across the board problem. Not a race issue. I see your point, I do. But with all due respect, many whites have experianced the " white trash " profile and life experiances. I think what you explained, very well, cold be used as a wider reaching comment my friend.

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Jul-21-13 12:45 PM

If you read the comment by commonsense who was the first to bring up race, you'll get why NMC went where he did. And a very good explanation at that!

Looks like the race haters are out already, no cleanupwarren it was commonsense at 10:34am who "put the race card out there". Read it again!

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Jul-21-13 12:49 PM

Is this dimwit about to spend another entire day with this? Check please!

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Jul-21-13 12:53 PM

Very good point neversummer, city officials are robbing tax payers without a gun!

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Jul-21-13 1:06 PM

As always you leave thought provoking well written messages NMC, I do get and even agree with your logic here. But you're in the wrong place and around the wrong class. You want to dialog on an intellectual level and as you will see the intellectualism is not here. Good comment Articwoof and you are totally there but most of the posters here belong in a zoo. Say your piece and leave bro serious discussions won't happen!

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Jul-21-13 2:19 PM

MoreRealTalk, you are correct. My bad. commonsense was the first. BUT, it was WP comment that nomore elaborated on. Again, I am not syaing nomore is wrong. Simply saying, poverty and the supposed excuse is breeds crime and drugs, well, it goes to ALL people. Think about it. Are all whites prefect? No. Are all blacks bad? No. Reverse the question, you get the same answer. Heck, are all motorcycle riders Hecks Angels?. No. Are all NASCAR fans ********? No. You can pick out almost ANY group of people and find slurs, insults and yes, even discrimination.

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Jul-21-13 2:20 PM

See how politiclly correct we have become,,,I an not even type red.necks

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Jul-21-13 2:21 PM

Crap, then again, I can not type....LOL LOL Darn typos.

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Jul-21-13 3:58 PM

Good question jtoday! @cleanup.....Do you believe we are all stupid cleanup? Who do you really believe commonsense was talking about with "certain races"? Answer that!!! Dont insult our intelligence to make NMC the one who brought up race.

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Jul-21-13 4:04 PM

If I asked the klansmen why he feel superior to other races and they tell me then I come back to tell you is that my point of view cleanup? Why is it impossible to believe a man can ask people what they feel then tell you without them feeling that way theyself? News reporters do it every day!

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Jul-21-13 4:21 PM

Good question jtoday since we never hear from him anything about the whites who do the same things he complains about blacks.

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Jul-21-13 4:59 PM

They need to keep the pressure on these guys. Drugs has no race. Its whoever decides to get into the business for the money. Those who put race into it are the racists.

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