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Turf project would actually save money

June 23, 2013

Turf project would actually save money DEAR EDITOR: I am writing in response to the June 4 article “Niles stadium gets turf” written by Ashley Newman. Having been involved in a project (R.E.I.N....

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-27-13 8:07 PM

By the way, the trib dies nit always lie, they might Stretch the truth abit but then doesnt everyone. The monies from cafaro was 200,000. You can go to Niles City Schools web page and see the picture of them presenting the check for 200,000. Theres a pretty nice article to go with it

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-27-13 7:57 PM

Thank you sb5. Glad to kniw someone is really reading what people are writing. Atleast i got one persins attention. Paying for everything is just as crazy as putting in that turf without knowing if there would be a grant of 200.000.00 to pay for it first. If yhe grant doesnt come through the 200,000 is still going to have to be paid. That 200,000 could have given them another art and music teacher and a couple of librarians. Which is more important, education or turf? Priorities are a little confused. The sad thing, no levies, no money and the state will be in to take over in no time then that turf will mean nothing once again.

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DefeatSBB5

Jun-26-13 11:59 PM

(See what I mean? See how ridiculous it gets? Letters like the one below are why I tear my hair out over this site, and why I have to admit that public education in this country has been an abject failure. Sheeeeeeesh!)

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-26-13 7:21 PM

I have the answer. Lets make every sport pay to play. Lets make music, band, computers, art, every club ... Pay to participate. Pay to use the library. Lets tack on a book fee, a paper fee, a cafeteria fee. Lets make those that actually use the restrooms pay a quarter to get in (like the old days) The cist for all this shouldnt be at the ecpence of the taxpayer but at the cost of those who are doing it. Do you buy a ticket to the movies if you arent going? I hardly think so. These new buildings will look no different then the ones they replaced 10 years from now because they will not be taken care if as good as they were. Im so ashamed of what they have done in this town

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DefeatSBB5

Jun-26-13 2:25 PM

If your goal is to reduce expenses, then cut out all school-sponsored competitive sports and turn them over to local athletic clubs.

The savings would be quite enormous.

Because, basically, what we have now is tax-payer subsidized low-priced entertainment, with very little educational value.

How far do ya think that idea would go?

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DefeatSBB5

Jun-26-13 2:17 PM

"You just oppose any and all possible cuts."

Not so -- but that is an altogether different issue.

I simply oppose the ideas of people who want to slash-and-burn and nickel-and-dime public education in an effort to shave their own taxes when it will not accomplish what they aim to do.

The letter writer showed that the net effect of switching to an artificial turf field was economically an even trade-off, but critics of the plan can't get passed the idea that hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent each year in each public school in this county/state/country on competitive athletics, and even when you show them, as the writer did, that switching to turf is, financially, even better than a "wash," somehow they're stuck in a kind of mental rut that won't allow them to acknowledge that the people entrusted with spending public funds are doing a good job.

And so they think up cock-a-mamy notions about consolidating all the schools into a few large campuses.

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Citizen1

Jun-26-13 9:54 AM

IPad keyboard...

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Citizen1

Jun-26-13 9:53 AM

Defeat, nice try at attempting to belittle my argument, but you already lost. You're arguing semantics now. The point is, mone can be saved long term by consolidating football stadiums. I has been proven in other pars of the sate. You just oppose any and all possible cuts.

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DefeatSBB5

Jun-26-13 8:18 AM

"Or, for example, in Howland, the non-varsity sports can play at the middle school or sometime during the day on a weekend on the varsity field."

This is the kind of uninformed, low-information chat that makes the rounds on sites like this, courtesy of the haters.

A little basic research would have shown you that Howland already has a dedicated soccer field complete with stands, a press box, concessions, and restrooms. Additionally, Howland Middle School has its own FB field adjacent to the soccer stadium.

In addition, the FB practice field occupies the space formerly used by the varsity BB field, which was re-located to HowTnshp Park a few years ago.

Try to catch up; we're no longer in the 1950's.

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-26-13 2:46 AM

$200,000.00 is $200,000.00. If they don't need the money then just who/what did the board apprive the monies for? And why would they comment about the grant they applied for but havent heard back from. Your savings is in how many years? What about the 600 kids who have no music, the 600 kids who have no Art, the kids with no computer classes and the 1800 why they have no library? Maybe we should cut out social studies/history next, they don't need that to pass any tests in k-8. Look how much money tjat would save us in a couple of years? When did turf become so necessary in the education process? Ypu did a grwat job raiding money but why dud the school board appove the 200,000 and mention the grant? Could this all have something to do with removing seats at the stadium so the new school could open(another well thought out plan)? All people qant is honesty and they get nothing. The taxpayers will speak agsin in Novembet and no doubt we all kniw what they are going to say.

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NachoCheese

Jun-25-13 10:52 PM

It is laughable how uninformed some people are when it comes to issues like this. By and large, the schools taxpayer money is NOT paying for much of these non-essential items. Don't you remember, for example, the picture in the Tribune with the Cafaro company donating a sizeable check to Niles towards the stadium project. Why do people always want to take it out on the kids, prevent them from having a few activities and nice facilities to do so that largely someone is paying for with NON-TAX DOLLARS? You want to talk about savings of costs? Get your out of control contracts better managed, find ways to reduce costs like healthcare rather than continuing to feed the beast. And does anyone remember that picture in the paper several months ago with the teacher's union all dressed in black protesting at the board meeting... now there are some places you can look to save TAX DOLLARS and not take it out on the kids. Howland, Lakeview, and Mathews sharing a football stadium sorry, laughable!

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-25-13 5:34 PM

By the way, no one Said the rein committee didnt Do a good job, they did not raise 100% of the job. Yes, im sure it will be nice however bussing, music, art, library, computers would service many mote students then this field will ever service.

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-25-13 5:30 PM

This is on time you can't blame the trib. I was at the board meeting where they spoke of the 200,000.00 grant that they were waiting ti hear if they got but were going to approve spending the 200 grand anyways. I couldnt believe they would take on such an expense when they have no monies to give ALL the students music, art, computers, library. You tell me it will save them money then i will be expecting everyone called back to work, right?

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Citizen1

Jun-25-13 1:30 AM

When I played for Harding, as a Freshman, we played 1 game at Mollenkopf. Non-varsity sports and sports like soccer do not need to be played on the varsity field. They can play on the practice field, like we did. Or, for example, in Howland, the non-varsity sports can play at the middle school or sometime during the day on a weekend on the varsity field.

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thetruth

Jun-24-13 6:45 PM

Citizend 1, you really should look beyond the varsity sports teams.

JFK does not play its Jr. High, Freshman or Junior Varsity football games at Mollenkopf. It doesn't play boys and girls soccer there. They only play five or six games a year there.

The same goes for Mooney and Ursuline at YSU. Mooney has a turf practice field at its school for the football team to practice on and for other events. The schools have to maintain other fields for their lower level games.

Finally, Parma also has 3 middle schools who each have a field for their use. And they have multiple fields for boys and girls soccer.

In Trumbull County, most schools have one field for all of these sports. If Niles has a girls varsity and JV soccer game, a boys varsity and JV soccer game, 7th grade FB game, 8th grade FB game, 9th grade FB game, and a varsity FB game at home in the same week, on what night would another school be able to play on the field?

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thetruth

Jun-24-13 6:39 PM

anothernilestaxpayer, if needing more money to pay for busing, teachers and other items is your complaint, then you should be wholeheartedly behind this proposal. Over the next 10 years the board will actually spend less money on the field and that money can be used elsewhere. As for committing to $200,000 without knowing about the grant, that is the point of this letter. The Trib lied to all of the readers. The REIN committee has raised most of the money needed to pay for the turf. If the grant is obtained, then the money raised can be used elsewhere. The installation of the turf is good for sports and good for education because it will save more money.

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anothernilestaxpayer

Jun-24-13 12:55 PM

Think the turf is a nice idea however have a problem with the board approving 200,00.00 without knowledge they have the grant to civer the cost. Its putting the cart before the horse, just like buying houses, tearing them down then building in a total different place. I also have a problem when we've cut bussing, cut educational classes because of funding yet we put emphasises on sports. We have lost many goid employees because we have no monwy yet we worry about sports. This town will NEVER see another levy or renewal passed again, why, because of these kind if errors. People are really fed up with whats going on in Niles. We sign contracts then admit we never read them to the public. The trust and faith in our schools is gone.

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ItIsntEasyBeingFree

Jun-24-13 12:43 AM

See defeat, you don't get it! The public is trying to provide solutions to balance costs! It can be done!All you do is tell everyone how it can't ciferno!

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ItIsntEasyBeingFree

Jun-24-13 12:40 AM

No defeat

We want teachers to pay for everything!

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ItIsntEasyBeingFree

Jun-24-13 12:33 AM

" One or two centralized stadiums in Trumbull county that house multiple school's football teams."

Nice try, Citizen, but your idea fails to take into account the fact that fields are used by a multiplicity of teams and organizations including, but not limited to, a school's 7th and 8th grade FB teams, 9th grade, JV's and varsity, for regular games as well as scrimmages; not to mention boys' and girls' soccer and their JV's; and the band. Sharing facilities WITHIN any given school system is a logistical nightmare as it is.

Think it isn't? Stop into ANY Trum. school AD office next month (July) and propose a schedule in which 2 school systems share a field. Just 2.

You will be laughed out of town.

No you are Larry Coferno! Football can easily played on a smaller number of fields. It's called does everybody have to play at 7 PM on Friday or Saturday?

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Citizen1

Jun-23-13 10:58 PM

Considering those same renovations, minus the LED scoreboard which shows video replay and is unnecessary, will have to be done at each stadium, yes. Consolidation makes sense. You just further proved my point.

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liemonger

Jun-23-13 8:11 PM

"It is a lazy philosophy "

Normally, I'd advise everyone to defer to her expertise on subjects like lazy.

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DefeatSBB5

Jun-23-13 6:12 PM

Kennedy has no marching band. The only sport Kennedy and Harding share Mollenkopf Stadium for is varsity football. Kennedy's practice field takes up the slack.

"In Cleveland, four schools share Parma's Byers Field."

The 3 of the 4 schools are in the Parma City Schools district -- Parma Senior, Valley Forge, and Normandy. St. Ignatius is the 4th. They share Byers Field, a stadium that holds 16,500 (SRO), in Cuyahoga County second only to Browns Stadium in terms of capacity. It is managed by the Byers Field Foundation.

In 2008 the original east side restrooms from 1962 received a $790,708 renovation.

A new LED video scoreboard was constructed at the north end of Byers Field in 2008 -- cost: $794,378.

The track was completely resurfaced with a new rubberized topcoat in 2008 costing $134,095.

And these were merely renovations.

Still want to make that kind of investment, Citizen?

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Citizen1

Jun-23-13 1:51 PM

WGH and Kennedy share a field. Mooney and Ursuline share a field, with YSU.

In Cleveland, four schools share Parma's Byers Field.

A little cooperation goes a long way. It can work. It already works elsewhere, why not here.

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thetruth

Jun-23-13 12:18 PM

SB5 is correct. In the earlier article mentioned in the letter it was pointed out that the Niles field hosted over 60 events in a 2 1/2 month stretch.. That doesn't include practices by sports teams and the band. Now try to add another school districts 50+ events. It's impossible.

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