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Should city take another swing at golf course?

Warren mulls what to do with Old Avalon course

March 31, 2013

WARREN — With spring coming, one of the men looking to take over operations at the Old Avalon golf course is asking the city for help in getting a contract written....

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Mar-31-13 11:08 PM

The city of Warren has enough issues to deal with , declining population, run down homes that are vacant, loss of jobs , reduction of safety forces and the list goes on . The golf course is not a proper venue to spend tax money on. PGA - Put your money where your mouth is and buy the course. Like all other business owners , take the risk with your own money and if your successful then you get the rewards. But not with tax payers money !

I wish the residents would go vote , none of the current administration deserves the jobs they have.

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Mar-31-13 6:03 PM

samaree, those courses are resorts. They make money on the rooms, food, etc. People travel to go there. They don't have to rely on local golfers.

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Mar-31-13 5:56 PM

Let the pgapro put his money where his mouth is. He should buy it and prove everybody else wrong.

If it was so easy to make it profitable, why hasn't some big money person bought it and hired a pgapro?

The whole Valley has way too many courses for the current number of golfers, which is dropping. Municipal courses are closing thoughout the country. Many golf communities are going broke. I have been hearing rumors about changes at the country club due to lack of golfers. Younger people do not golf at the rate of the boomers and their parents. And if a person is really,really, really, into golf THEY MOVE TO WHERE YOU CAN GOLF ALL YEAR!

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Mar-31-13 1:40 PM

@pgapro: Regardles of whether your statement is correct or not, the question remains--What business does the city of Warren have owning property outside its city limits? This business has lost money for how many years? You're saying that with a PGA pro running the business, it would give the golf course "the best CHANCE to be profitable" (quote yours, emphasis mine).

Sorry, I say sell it. That land is worth a small fortune. The city of Warren needs money for more police, not for a golf course outside its city limits.

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Mar-31-13 1:16 PM

"Warren City's Finest".....I mean the elected officials and the "Good Ole Boys" club messing up again.. Get rid of all of them...Angelo.Obrien, Franklinn CANTALAMESA , Hicks or SELL WARREN!!Might as well SELL WAREEN now before it gets any worse, or can it get any worse. Oh Wait lets all plant some wildflowers and sing Kumbaya!!!

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Mar-31-13 12:55 PM

city need to be gettin kou to pony up on backtax $$$$

plus get them greens trim right fast & put sand in traps quick

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Mar-31-13 12:07 PM

I am the PGA Professional that spoke at the city council meeting last Wednesday. The city does not need to sell the golf course despite what everyone thinks. They need proper management of the course for them. PGA Professionals are the most highly trained individuals in the golf business. All of the best courses in the country are where they are today because of the efforts of these golf professionals. PGA Professionals are the best people to oversee golf operations because we understand the game, the importance of strong management, have dedicated their careers to teaching, growing, and promoting the game of golf, and can provide a professional image that proudly represents the facility. Anyone can just throw money into the course or sell it. It's what I stated above that gives the course the best chance to be profitable. I was told by the Mayor, after the council meeting, that what I proposed to him is the best option that he has heard so far.

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Mar-31-13 12:04 PM

Ditto on NachoCheese. What a waste of land sitting, in a prime real estate area nontheless.

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Mar-31-13 10:49 AM

This is just "par for the course" of corrupted elected officials WE put into office.

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Mar-31-13 10:01 AM

Sell it for a decent price plus some kind of royalty payment for 20 years, say $1 for every 18 holes played. That way the city could get a bunch of cash up front, a income check about 8 months out of the year, no more headaches, and they can concentrate on what the role of government really is.

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Mar-31-13 8:40 AM

I had been told that it was a done deal that Avalon Lakes would run the city course, but that was apparently wrong. I still don't understand why a city would own a golf course outside its geographic boundaries, especially one that loses money year after year. Sell it.

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Mar-31-13 8:03 AM

Here we go AGAIN !!! How many times does it take for the city to learn ????

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Mar-31-13 7:16 AM

If there is one thing a Government needs to butt out its golf. It does nothing to help people. Close it down and sell it to a farmer that could make some use of what is now a waste of land.

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Mar-31-13 6:14 AM

The administration must have been hibernating all winter.The new lease or owner should have been in place by now.EC says he would like to see it open by June 1,Look around you most courses are ready to open now. More lost money on more ill-decisions.

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Mar-31-13 5:21 AM

Agree, sell the course to the highest bidder. It's not something the city should be involved with or spend any city funds on. The city has crime and private job growth problems to solve. There are too many good golf courses in the area to choose from.

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Mar-31-13 1:15 AM

Sell the course! City government has no business running a golf course in another town like this, and has proven for years they are incapable of doing so or getting it done. Sell the course to someone who can - you, the city, already have your hands way more full than you can handle in your own back yard!

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