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School size not the problem in public versus private debate

March 14, 2013

Anybody who sat through the Windham vs. Villa Angela-St. Joseph Division IV regional semifinal on Tuesday can say the division system in Ohio is broken. The game was a farce right from the start....

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BigGuy35

Mar-24-13 10:44 AM

I can't believe what I'm reading. Catholic/Private schools should have a separate tournament in football and basketball. Don't give this stuff about public schools have open enrollment & that makes it fair. If you are a top high school player and you have a choice between the private/catholic school who has scouts come to all their games & have won the state championship over and over vs. a city school who doesn't. Where you going?? I was with a group of friends who always went to the boys basketball championships in Columbus year after year & we would always joke about who a private/catholic school would have 10 african-american basketball players, yet every single one of their cheerleaders were white & the 1,000 fans & students in the stands were all white.

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uh03937

Mar-20-13 4:11 PM

((Let's Go)) You make absolutely no sense, you show your lack of logic and a deep bias toward some solid programs.

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LetsGo

Mar-19-13 10:58 PM

UH... Numbers don't lie! Explain how private schools make up 17% of the schools in Ohio, yet thet have won 41% of the state championships so far this year. It can't be from recruiting.

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LetsGo

Mar-19-13 10:47 PM

I feel so bad for them. Only two Trumbull County schools have ever won a state championship.

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uh03937

Mar-19-13 9:35 AM

((Let's go)) You made a statement and can't back it up. VASJ has had a strong Basketball program but they have not had an Ohio State Championship team in 18 years.

ANYTIME A PRIVATE SCHOOL PERFORMS, SNAKES LIKE YOUR SELF SURFACE. Think of it Arsehole- 18 years ago.

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LetsGo

Mar-18-13 10:57 PM

UH... High school players that go DI are being looked at when they are freshman. Colleges compete for them at a young age. Players that are that good don't get recruited when they simply become seniors. The fact that this is how you think shows me how little you truly know.

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uh03937

Mar-17-13 12:21 PM

(((Let's go:))) Why don't you cite examples of your falso allegations, VASJ has 2 Seniors on this year's team and one of the seniors is on the second team.

People like yourself open up your big mouth- no facts just demeaning statements-you obviously know nothing of their program.

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LetsGo

Mar-17-13 8:17 AM

VASJ has 5 DI prospects on their team and you don't think they recruited??? You can't be serious!

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uh03937

Mar-16-13 5:19 PM

One of the original haters of Warren JFK was Mel Staats. One athlete 30 years ago had the audacity to attend Warren JFK, In the past Harding used some of these athletes but to my knowledge Mel Staats was silent.

In no way is this comment a reflection of Labrae. Many of us remember the great games between JFK and Labrae.

Dana, You should be talking to the All American Conference, start there and then report to all sports fans. Increase your circulation.

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rgadzina

Mar-16-13 2:56 PM

@mrright JFK won't be allowed in to an area conference so long as the "whinners" are still in power around this area.

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mrright

Mar-16-13 10:41 AM

Cont: Does Mentor need another 800 students, I don't think so.

OHSAA runs a great playoff system in Ohio but whiners from Wooster and some other schools want to play private students, second class citizens,

OHSAA made Toledo Whitmer forfeit all football and basketball wins because of a player from Springfield, OH.

There is a deep prejudice that permeates the All American Conf in Trumbull and Mahoning county. JFK is a perfect example, they would win some and lose some games, but they are blocked from playing.

Warren JFK was a charter member of Mahoning Valley Conference, and they along with Campbell were thrown out.

Of that was just show they weren't picking on JFK, however Campbell was allowed to rejoin the conference under another Conference name.

Why doesn't the Tribune ask the All American Conf why Warren JFK is not in the league.

The Tribune would receive State recognition for this story.

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mrright

Mar-16-13 10:26 AM

Writer,quit listening to complainers excuse for losing. Every private and parohical school should be supported. Just think how fewer students would be able to play Ohio sports if we only had public schools.

Tribune Writer: Youngstown is down to one Public school team even thou they have two public schools. Youngstown East truly gets the choice of top athletes. Make no mistake about it.

When VASJ- was St Joseph High, they were a football power, most of the kids that would have been playing in Euclid, their parents have migrated to Mentor.. Mentor's great teams are the products of White flight from Euclid to Mentor High, also some play for Mentor Lake Catholic.

The whiners will rant that if Lake Catholic wins , well they must have recruited, This is such a bull shet arguement--This arguement is soley about politics, Some of the Northeastern Ohio schools-the Unions fight against these schools

Mentor already has 3100 students in their high school CONT

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uh03937

Mar-16-13 9:57 AM

This article was written by a novice,VASJ has long history of basketball greatness. They are a joy to watch. Cleveland basketball is an aggressive game.

This writer doesn't realize that VASJ has a Division 1 College player on their team. Ask any coach how valuable a Div 1 player is to his or her program.

Youngstown Christian would have beat VASJ in football.

Farrel, Pa which was and is in the smallest division, plays in the top division because they want to: Farrell has won the state championship with the tallest player at 6'1. Farrel has had a storied basketball history.

This writer fails to understand Tradition and training.

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Equalizer1985

Mar-15-13 1:40 PM

I see the He-Man, Woman-Haters Club's monthly meeting is in session.

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sammyd1949

Mar-14-13 4:01 PM

Typical of the Tribune sports dept ever since The Woman Who Is All About Herself took over the dept. Anything to grab attention, EVEN IF IT IS INACCURATE.

Hey ******* sportswriter (use the term loosely) PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF THAT ST. JOES RECRUITED PLAYERS. AND IF YOU CAN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO ISSUE AN APOLOGY.

I will be anxiously awaiting one or the other in the next day or two.

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touchdown

Mar-14-13 11:42 AM

A friend of mine from Poland went absolutely nuts when Boardman went to open enrollment. All the athletes from Youngstown who want to be in safer schools could now go to Boardman. So should the Boardman Spartans be in this seperate division also? If you ask my buddy from Poland, he'll say yes.

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thebear402

Mar-14-13 11:39 AM

@rgadzina, regarding Harding, so the questions are, were the players illegally or unethically recruited? Is there anything illegal about recruiting? Or did the parents send their kids to Harding because they knew they'd be on a super team and have college scouts looking at them? It's just not that black and white.

When I attended Salem, a student transferred from a smaller Columbiana county school for the sole reason of getting exposure to college scouts and landing a scholarship. It was clearly for his own (and his parents) benefit. Is anything wrong with that, wanting to earn an athletic scholarship? Is that any more wrong than someone who pays a tutor to help prepare them for the ACT or SAT? Like I said, it's a complicated issue.

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rgadzina

Mar-14-13 10:27 AM

What? Public school use open enrollment to an unfair advantage, (cough, Harding, cough) I've never heard such a thing.

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thebear402

Mar-14-13 7:33 AM

I guess I'm hyper-sensitive to this because, although I do see both sides, I just get sick and tired of attending JFK games and every time they win, no matter what the sport, you'll hear idiots from the other side (sometimes even coaches) saying to their kids, "Well, at least we don't have to recruit to win." This happens at soccer games and volleyball games. Seriously??? Recruiting in volleyball?? And still ending up with a losing record? No, it doesn't happen, but it's an easy excuse when an opponent loses, blame recruiting.

As I've said before, I also follow the Liberty programs, and thanks to open enrollment, I see any number of Youngstown city kids wearing the maroon and gold. But apparently that's okay because it's a public school, no word on that. If that's the case, then maybe part of the problem is an anti-Catholic prejudice.

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thebear402

Mar-14-13 7:28 AM

If you're in favor of separate divisions for private vs public schools, then perhaps you should include public schools with open enrollment in with the private schools. There is no difference. Boosters contact young athletes and try to get them to attend their schools.

I don't want to open a can of worms, but think of this: Why is it okay if someone from a private school (or for that matter, an open enrollment school) says, "Come to our school, we have better education, safer classroom, and a more disciplined environment, it will help you get into college," but it's wrong to say, "Come to our schools, we have better coaching and a better athletic program, you'll get more attention from college recruiters and have a better chance at an athletic scholarship?" Why is one okay and one is not?

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