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Upgrade upsets Bristol couple

March 5, 2013

BRISTOL — When Donna and Butch Giesy decided to turn an unused barn into apartments on their property in 2010, the couple had no idea their backyard would be a casualty....

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Mar-07-13 3:10 PM

Well if they get the cows back he won't have to worry about mowing, right.

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Mar-06-13 5:43 PM

I'm only half serious most of the time Triumph, I believe folks take me more serious than necessary...

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Mar-06-13 5:31 PM

I THINK 40K is unreal for a septic system....But i would also think these people would of thought about the septic system to begin with..Wheres all the $$$ going for such a system..Sounds way over priced.

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Mar-06-13 3:43 PM

NMC, you're right. He is old but he also has a fairly good sized family who I am sure would come make repairs he could not handle himself.

And I suppose if you have to hire people to come in and build the apartments it may cost $100,000 but if you're handy as most country folk are, you can do the bulk of the work yourself and if I remember correctly, that big family Giesy has contains a number of blue collar hard workers who could bust out a barn dwelling in no time. Electrical, plumbing, drywall and all.

Don't be stereotyping NMC. That's just not nice!

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Mar-06-13 3:14 PM

Sounds like No More is doing a little profiling today.

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Mar-06-13 2:16 PM

Me, me, I tinkled in the Wheaties.

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Mar-06-13 1:54 PM

Such judgmental language! "cheapskate" "old" "snoops" "fool". Sheesh. Who tinkled in the Wheaties this morning?

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Mar-06-13 11:44 AM

I would'nt want to live anywhere this cheapskate has for rent. Usually a landlord this old snoops, tries to tell folks how to live, and is always knee deep in who visits your apartment.

This fool does'nt belong in the rental business because you can't make decent apartments up to code out of barns without spending less than $100,000 and he seems too old to promptly make repairs.

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Mar-06-13 9:20 AM


I know the "King's English", but my misuse of words, in type, often astounds me. . . it's an embarrassment.

Often, when I re-read the posting(right after posting), it looks correct . . . even when it's not.

Maybe it's because I'm not really a "typist", who knows.

At least I haven't fallen into the typing habits of texters . . . yet.

All kinds of problems arise when the mouth(or the fingers) don't work in sync(time-wise), with the brain.

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Mar-05-13 10:33 PM

I meant "there" not "their" in my previous post. Hey Tribune, put an "edit" button so people can edit their comments.

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Mar-05-13 10:28 PM

no offense, but only someone who is uneducated and a complete Podunk would turn a barn into apartments and not think their wouldn't be a septic issue in a rural township. Duh....

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Mar-05-13 5:32 PM

Maybe "Upgrade Upsets ENTIRE County". Would be a better article. It's not that we shouldn't have rules and try to clean up the environment. We should. BUT........ We should not have to pay outrageous prices for new systems. We should have options other than the system supplied by the environmental directors buddy in Stark County. This whole thing ***** for the residents who get strong armed into this mess! Throw the bums out!!!!!!

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Mar-05-13 5:23 PM

Let me see if I understand this. 3 mounds, 100 foot long, 30 wide, 5 high each. So, if next to each other, that is 100 long, 90 foot wide, 5 foot high. And that ruined thier farm? How big is this so called farm, half an acre or what? I own 50 acres, putting three of those mounds in my land would not really take away a lot.

Now, they got money for nothing to install this system. They get rent money from tenants. And they are worried about excercising cattle they do not have. Really??? Wow, that is serious stuff there.

They said they had no option. Yes sir you did. Kick your renters out and do not install the system. Forget your whole idea of apartments. I do not want to sound mean, but ignorance of the requirements for apartments should not be an excuse to be upset.

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Mar-05-13 5:02 PM

At least to keep it groomed: cover it with ivy or some other fast growing ground cover that the weeds don't get into. It will stay green, and you won't have to mow it. Good luck.

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Mar-05-13 4:39 PM

I disagree billdog. I stated fact. They got stimulus money from the government, which at this time is Obama stimulus. Free money. I can agree to your point about previous stimulus. BUT, pertaining to this instance, I did not make any type of political or rhetorical comment. It WAS Obama free money,,,fact.

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Mar-05-13 2:12 PM

a few of us who care about how our government treats the citizens have been working hard to get the TCBH REMOVED. Trustee's vote on the board memebers. You should go to your Trustee meetings and tell them, when they vote on TCBH members,they need to get fresh thinkers and people who want the board to function properly. Tell them to consider John Hull.

We also support the Meadow's in their fight against the TCBH. The Meadow's were improperly charged by the Sherrif who was in cahouts with the TCBH AND the Prosecutor. Then the charges were DROPPED! More waste of taxpayer money not to mention the money the Meadow's have spent to defend themselves. They should be reimbursed. That $40,000 for the septic should have gone to the Meadow's. So Trumbull County. I think Obama trained here.

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Mar-05-13 1:33 PM

That stuff is suposed to be done before a building permit is issued. They do a lot of shady stuff here the Covelli center is the biggest so far they let them build that to hold 5 or 6000 people without parking . I know they have shady deals with some old parking garages. In any other state that I have worked in if you don't have enough parking you can't build it . I don't care if it is K mart or Walmart or anything else and for 28 million I would have thought they could have found a site with enough land but it probably wouldn't been owned by a relative . what is going to happen when the lease runs out down the road on these parking decks that proably would have been torn down but they are valuble now and you can bet the lease is going up

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Mar-05-13 1:24 PM

Old news for 8 plus years. That's at least how long the laws have been on the books. Mine cost me 25k$ and 300 a year to keep legal. More than what it would cost to use sewage. Didn't see anyone crying 8 years ago when it was in effect! Maybe if the trib has any real investigative reporters left and the editors have the balls to actually print articles against the county...

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Mar-05-13 1:17 PM

While there may be problems with the health department, I don't see how they did anything wrong in this scenario and these people will get no sympathy from me. The added apartments, so of course there will need to be septic upgrades. And these people got it done for free. Now they want to complain how it looks? I know there are people who are fighting the health department and want to highlight the abuses that occur there, but these people are not your poster children. These people should be thankful they got a grant and should be happy with what they got. They are 70 years old and right now aren't even using that land for their cows. They say they plan to in the future, but they are 70.

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Mar-05-13 1:13 PM

All this talk about expensive, mandatory spetic systems in our county and I still haven't seen any reports that our ground water is improving. Meanwhile my neighbors dump their crap in the same septic systems that were installed in the 70s/80s, putred smells of waste permeate from the ditches in the summer and no one at the Health Department cares. What a joke this countys government has become and the Ohio EPA - Useless!

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Mar-05-13 12:38 PM

Just another sign that Trumbull co. has truly turned into the arm pit of Ohio. Yes, these old folks should have checked things out, but what about all the years they've paid their property taxes? Do you mean to tell me the idiots at the Health dept. are just too busy to drive out to this farm and have a sit down with these folks? They just blew a quarter of a million dollars of our tax dollars chasing their tails and they can't make a visit and help clear things up? I'm glad I was raised better than the butt heads that are in the health dept. because if you treat people with respect, that's what you get back.

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Mar-05-13 12:27 PM

Talk about the government flushing our tax dollars down the toilet.

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Mar-05-13 12:25 PM

In my experience,government agencies do not communicate well with each other.Write to the Ohio Parks & Recreation Dept.,and tell them you have Indian burial mounds on your property.Perhaps they will help set up a tourist attraction on your property.They would have to pay you for access.

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Mar-05-13 12:17 PM

I doubt that the Kings or any other installer would do this work without first conversing with the landower as to what/where/how/size. This isn't the fault of the installer that was just doing their job. No I don't know the Kings. This is a situation of the landowner not doing or not understanding the research ahead of time. It also reflects the miserable mess the TC Health Dept is in. But if you live in Trumbull County how can you NOT know what is going on with septic systems prior to any addition or renovation. They would have needed building permits for the conversion. That would have been the start of the conversation.

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Mar-05-13 11:35 AM

The real kick in the pants will come when the county runs a sewer line down their road next year and they'll be forced to tie into it at their own expense. Then, they'll have something to cry about.

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