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Demolishing pool is a terrible idea

January 27, 2013

DEAR EDITOR: Am I the only one who thinks the YWCA demolishing its swimming pool to put in low income housing is not a good thing for downtown and nor should it be painted as such? Am I the only on......

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Jan-27-13 7:43 AM

Watch how many places that provide swimming in Ohio close in the very near future because they will not be able to afford liability insurance. Thanks to a state court ruling people who get hurt swimming or anywhere at the facility can now sue the owners. That means horseplay will have to stop 100%. But we all know that will not happen as people do not have enough common sense. Leave it to Ohio pull this bonehead move.

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Jan-27-13 8:27 AM

a roof over ones head on a cold night is more important than a swim. get over the its all about me greedy mindset.

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Jan-27-13 9:11 AM

Yeah who wants more poor people living downtown when we could have another swimming pool in addition to the two pools at the YMCA. Run 'em all out of town! We don't need the likes of you in Warren!

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Jan-27-13 9:37 AM

This is less about keeping a pool and more about Warren's continuing mission to attract the most useless people in the immediate area to the downtown.

I guess one would need to think before posting to figure that out, huh?

Pretty obvious, I thought, that this was more about Warren's failure at redevelopment than keeping a pool...Or at least about people talking like this is the best thing since the beer can was invented.

Hey, can't support a pool, why not build something that attracts people who can build rather than just take?

And you are right, run them out of town. Once someone needs help like a shelter, chances are they are there because they've burned every bridge in their life by lying, stealing, drinking and drugging. And then these folks breed while they do it. Warren needs to close the door on people who need this kind of help...Send them to a bigger city where at least they might be absorbed into the background in a place with more going on.

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Jan-27-13 10:35 AM

Exactly who will be paying for the remodeling to accommodate all these "needy families"?

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Jan-27-13 12:54 PM

The YWCA, in my opinion, started a decline in the late 80's and 90's. Some of it may have been due to people being placed in positions in which they had no knowledge or just didn't fit. What have they been doing there of late? The pool was closed. The exercise equipment was moved to KSU a few years back. There use to be all kinds of classes held--exercise, personal development etc. It could have been saved and put to better use at one time.

The upper floors of the YMCA....weren't they used at one time as temporary residences for those in need. From what I can see, all those floors are empty. Why? What was their reason for closing it? Won't those same reasons surface at the YWCA now?

One of the most important aspects of this new venture is who is going to manage it? manage the people? I just see a lot of difficulty with what has been chosen to replace a once useful institution. What a shame!

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Jan-27-13 2:50 PM

175,000 per apartment for homeless women.

That seems to make less sense than the people involved with this claiming it will spur downtown redevelopment.

And what a slap in the face the city's support of this project is to the gentleman who bought the Packard House apartments. This fella' is going to put millions into living space for people who can actually pay rent and now he has to have his building half a block from a homeless shelter...

I wonder if this gentleman was told of this homeless shelter when people from Warren went to ambush him at his fund raiser two weeks ago...?

This whole situation is sad. So sad.

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Jan-27-13 3:10 PM

The original people that started the YW had the best intentions. But over the years in order to be on the "board" you had to buy your seat there. The "rich" women on the board decided to close the YW and get rid of all those rare Dell computers, gym equipment anything of value and sell the building. Then they found out they would lose a large endowment left by one of founders so now they are going to build apartments for the poor instead of serving everyone. Gone are the Senior pool exercises, monthly get to gather parties and holiday parties. There were lots of ways to save the YW but unless you had enough money to buy a seat on the board you were not heard. "Eliminating racism and empowering women." stupid motto that did not serve everyone.

Thank God for the YMCA whose motto did not bring in race or gender it is "We build strong kids, strong families, strong communities." As a former YW member I strongly urge everyone

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Jan-27-13 4:56 PM

thinkfirst, I agree that the intentions were good and in fact ran well until the very late 80's and 90's. If I remember correctly, the people who ran it were replaced or left for one reason or other. The whole operation declined, exercise classes were dropped, the exercise area lost personnel and public support. If short, it started falling apart. When was the last ad in the paper you can recall for either the YM or YWCA? What is being offered at either and at what cost? It has to be the best kept secret in Warren because people don't know. I have been in the pool area at the YM recently, and the ceiling, walls, and pool need repair. People are using the Ym but why isn't money being placed in a capital improvement account to take better care of the facility?

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Jan-27-13 5:26 PM

The national mission of the YWCA has returned to it's original intentions. That is to enrich and empower women. The YWCA in Youngstown remodeled into apartments a few years ago and as far as I know they are fine.

If I remember correctly this is a project in conjunction with Beatitude House.

Could someone add more info or correct the details.

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Jan-27-13 6:09 PM

You can enrich and empower a lot of women by providing its original services, which by the way, included many women in many areas of their lives. To just take a few and provide housing for them is a rather unfair concept. To provide housing for a few, rather than consider the others who afford their own housing and need empowering services as well, is rather short sighted. And I might add, taxpayer money has to come into play here somewhere. United Way provides money or foundations somehow or other. Because a woman works and is able to provide housing for herself, she is cut out of the deal and the taxes and charitable contributions she provides will be centered around a few rather than taking a broader prospective of the situation. Short sighted and yes a terrible idea.

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Jan-27-13 6:10 PM

Or is more about section 8 money rather than empowering women?

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Jan-27-13 7:35 PM

Some of you need to check the national website for the YWCA. Learn something.

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Jan-28-13 5:49 AM

How do you empower or enrich women by providing housing? Some people just might call that enabling. Again someone is going to have to manage that concept. If you are truly empowering women, then you would have to provide housing temporarily until that woman is able to provide it for herself. They use to employ that concept at the downtown Ymca by providing housing. Now you go back and learn something about why they stopped that practice. It didn't work out so well or it would still be functioning. My comments on here or anyone else's is not going to change the situation because someone somewhere in downtown Warren got a wild hair someplace and decided this was what we all needed in Warren. Some of us just want to let you know that not everyone thinks it is a wonderful idea and we have reservations about how this whole concept is going to work. We also question the intelligence behind the decision.

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Jan-28-13 9:45 AM


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Jan-28-13 9:46 AM

US, that is the biggest insult inflicted on downtown by the YW and their partners on this... 175,000 per apartment in a new project a block from where multiple vacants, sunshine and landbank houses sit..... How many homes could this money have rehabbed for these women? How many more women could they have serviced had they taken a different track with this project...

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Jan-28-13 9:48 AM

Nmclone has a point that I will expand on.... How much more damage will this woman do to this city? And why is she still taken seriously?

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Jan-28-13 9:49 AM

Perhaps build a center where women can learn job skills, parenting skill, LIFE skills. This would be better suited than low-income house which is only enabling the same old behavior where the cycle just continues from generation to generation. If this cycled isn't stopped we will be having this same conversation forever. I guess it's just easier to enable current behavior than to change it. I am tired of working my butt of and paying for those that feel entitled to it. ENOUGH!

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Jan-28-13 1:20 PM

Sad sign of the impact of our economic climate. If I were a multi-billionaire like Donald Trump, Mark Zukerberg, or Bill Gates I would have founded a homeless organization designed to educate and rehabilitate those in need. Volunteering at the homeless shelter wasn't enough. I wish I could do more. As long as the homeless are participating in the education program they would have a place to stay until they could find decent employment.

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Jan-28-13 2:14 PM

Have you ever seen or heard of any postings when these board positions become available? No, they are usually appointments in a closed society--perhaps even political. The same nutty ideas keep getting recycled by the same people, and other members of board (even those that are elected) sometimes sit there shaking their heads yes. It is my opinion why we keep getting the same old same old. We need fresh ideas and we need people who sit on these boards to acvtively engage in the ideas brought to them. It is ok to say no.

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Jan-28-13 2:39 PM

Everyone has agendas and axes to grind in this town... But the amount of e-mails and phone calls I got yesterday pinning lots of problems on a certain woman involved with this was outstanding.

I guess when you are seemingly instrumental in getting rid of a beloved high school building, people aren't going to dig you too much in this town.

I have to say, helping bring another homeless shelter in downtown Warren has put her off my Christmas card list for awhile.

And again I have to wonder if Mr. Coon, when he was being lobbied to start his Packard Apartments project, was told of the great redevelopment project that is a homeless shelter right across the street!

YOU CANNOT EXPECT PEOPLE TO SPEND MILLIONS ON PRIVATE REDEVELOPMENT AND BE HAPPY SHILLING FOR THESE HUD/CHARITY/POOR PEOPLE PROJECTS. We are at the point in Warren where it has to be either/or. Nobody is going to want to spend their own money in a town that considers a homeless shelter "investment" into the downto

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Jan-28-13 6:26 PM

We are an enabling society. There are programs to help woman but instead it us easier to just out them in a building and let them for low rent. I hate that they are demolishing it. Why didn't they try to get grants for the pool??? Oh that's right it's easier to get grants for low income housing.

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Jan-28-13 6:33 PM

Has even one of you who has posted here actually talked to the Director of the YWCA to learn what IS planned for the Y? Do any of you KNOW what is planned for the Y? If you can't answer "yes" to both of these questions, stop talking.

The YWCA does not need a pool. Not enough people used it recently to pay for keeping it open. The Y had exercise equipment, fitness classes and a pool when there was no where else for women to go. There are now several gyms in the area that anyone can join for as little as $10 a month. And, in case you were not aware, most YWCAs had housing for women before they had pools. The YWCA is NOT going to become a homeless shelter. Find out what you are talking about before you start talking.

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Jan-28-13 9:58 PM

Well, cookie, yes, the keeping of the pool may have not been viable. I can understand that.

But please explain how this is not a homeless shelter. It has been reported that the women and children who this was made for are homeless or at risk of soon being homeless.

Is the spin that since they will be in programs and paying thirty percent of their income as rent then this is not a shelter?

So it is a cross between the family mission and section 8 housing.... Still a disgrace to call this some sort of redevelopment plan....Still ridiculous to talk a about it like it is something grand for downtown.

Pull the other finger.

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Jan-29-13 6:23 AM

You still don't get it. People started leaving the YW in droves in the 80s and 90s because of the people that were brought in to run it. The operation of the facility totally changed/declined and people left. Let's get back to management and understanding the product that you are trying to bring to the public. You become competitive for one. You advertise like you use to with two-page ads 3 or 4 times a year. You offer children's classes in the summer besides those offered by Trumbull County schools. You say the YW does not need a pool? Who are you to make that judgment for the community? How many of these other fitness places have a pool? None that I know of--except one in Garretsville. If you need that type of exercise for health reasons, you must go to a therapy/rehab place or go to WGH when they hold open swims. How many places have a sauna?--the old Finn type with cedar wood. How about a whirlpool? No you are not going to whitewash this with me.

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