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Demolishing pool is a terrible idea

January 27, 2013

DEAR EDITOR: Am I the only one who thinks the YWCA demolishing its swimming pool to put in low income housing is not a good thing for downtown and nor should it be painted as such? Am I the only on......

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Feb-04-13 7:29 PM

Reader: I was ELECTED BY THE MEMBERS OF THE YWCA. I was the only elected member the others bought their seats on the board. After a few meetings I was given an application form and told I had to pay or stop attending the board meetings.

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Feb-01-13 12:44 PM

Maybe this could be built next to NotSoSmartCookies house. The last thing downtown Warren needs is more low income, low functioning slugs. Yes, some that end up in these places end up there due to circumstance, but most end up in these places because of poor choices.

READER, right on target, section 8 and grants for low income housing. I don't see private investors making this kind of investment for section 8 housing, only the gooberment. My guess is the Packard appartment building will be left to rot as the new owner won't want to invest for the same to take place again that happened in the past to the building.

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Jan-31-13 1:55 PM

Because you are in the hub of it in the downtown area where you know what is going on. Honestly, I did not know all of this about the YW until I read you letter in the newspaper. We kind of count on you and your honesty to report the news from the downtown.

On the website for the ywca toward the bottom on the right side they give an address anyone can write to explain their concerns with this project. I hope some of you reading this will go to the website, get the address, and explain why this project is not what it appears. I think some others on here have brought to light some other circumstances that greatly disturb me. It leaves no doubt in my mind why and how the once grand YWCA is no longer functioning at the level it once did. I certainly hope someone at the Trib looks into this further.

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Jan-31-13 9:12 AM

Reader, I would assume, based onknowing how some boards "sell" seats, that one would have to make some sort of sizable donation to the organization in order to get a seat.

I don't think the implication is someone personally got a briefcase full of money...

I'm just guessing though...

Would be nice if some of you people could write letters to the editor with these questions and concerns regarding the YW, how it has come to this and why this happened...

Why do I have to be out here alone, the only person in town who seemingly will say this stuff and own it? More people need to be public when they say, "Enough of this crap".

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Jan-31-13 6:11 AM

thinkfirst, Let me ask you a couple questions. I understand that what you posted is your opinion of what happened, but it is certainly interesting. What was the cost to allegedly "BUY MY SEAT" as you claimed in your comments here. Who allegedly would have taken the money? What fund was it allegedly put into and for purpose was the funds to be used at the YW? After you allegedly bought your seat, were payments allegedly to be continued and in what manner. If you had allegedly stayed on the board here, would you have gotten paid? How much and where are the job descriptions for your alleged employment located?

Who is doing the construction of this transitional housing? Who is involved in the planning of the housing? Who is going to manage it. From where are the funds originating?

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Jan-30-13 8:51 PM

Real estate women are in charge of the YW now. they took over several years ago. If you did not have enough money TO BUY A SEAT ON THE BOARD you were not heard.

The socially prominent Doctors wives, attorneys wives and real estate women took over the board when old board members died and systemically and purposely dismantled the YW. Got rid of volunteers. Sold all the antiques and anything of value. those women should rot in the very hot place of eternal punishment for being so greedy. Bull crap! that the pools were not used. both pools were filled to capacity every week. Someone needs to investigate because this smells to high heaven.

I was elected by the membership but was told I was no longer welcome at the board meetings as I did not BUY MY SEAT.

Bull crap! that the pools were not used. both pools were filled to capacity every week. Someone needs to investigate because this smells to high heaven.

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Jan-30-13 1:08 PM

It is a matter of semantics and not a narrow mind. I went to that website looking for information. What events are scheduled at the YWCA under this management team? So you look at the calendar events, which is what you told me not to look at. There is nothing there. I have looked at the programs listed. I have made comment on that. Most are run and organized by some other agency or institution. If they were having an event, why wouldn't those empowering events be listed on that calendar so that the community could enjoy them. Nothing. How much does the management team get paid and what exactly do they do? How will they fit into the redevlopment of this housing unit for the downtown area?

I want to know information. I have asked several times on here. I get a brick wall. I get "I just know more than you about the programs." (Really? Especially when the website has nothing listed on the calendar of events!) It is more that some people do not want transparency

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Jan-30-13 9:59 AM

Reader - I did not say "don't look at the website". You already have your narrow mind made up and don't seem to care that there is more to the story than you know or are willing to admit.

I have no connection to the YWCA, except that I believe in what they are doing. Quit calling it "your" program or calendar. It is not mine.

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Jan-30-13 8:40 AM

my wife and I took our three small children and enjoyed the pool until we were told it was closing... another Warren pool closing.. how very sad...

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Jan-29-13 8:48 PM

Don't look at the website? What kind of logic is that? Why would I not look at your calendar on the YWCA website? It should show what events are being held by the YWCA so members of the community know how we all are being empowered and when. There is nothing there. The programs I saw are mostly programs set up by someone else through some sort of collaboration and run by some other group or institution. What is it you do? Your website, set up by the management team at the YWCA, really tells me little. I suppose that is why I have reservations about how this new venture is to be run, managed, and used as a developmental tool for downtown Warren.

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Jan-29-13 4:49 PM

Tiredofit. There is no pool and fitness equipment to use at the YWCA, therefore, no users.

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Jan-29-13 4:46 PM

Reader, Don't look at the calendar. Look at the programs. There are lots of them, and most are ongoing.

It is not MY program. I just happen to know more about it than you do. If you think they are not doing enough, I'm sure they would be delighted to have you volunteer to help them out.

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Jan-29-13 4:03 PM

One last comment....I am willing to take a looksee at what activities are being scheduled at the YWCA. Maybe I am wrong. So I went to the YWCA website. Take a look at the calendar of events posted there. I looked for the next three months. Nothing posted. Nothing more to say here.

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Jan-29-13 2:22 PM

I don't know about the Q Club, but the Jewish Community Center is not in TC. I point out the lack of management in the past because I want to know who will be managing this empowering of women at the YW. I point out the facilities it had and how the lack of management contributed to its decline...even today. There was absolutely no PR, even about the sauna. No advertising of programs available. It still lacks leadership. FinsIi points out one area that needs to be addressed. Perhaps it ought to be turned over to the Warren Mission. There has to be a program in place that has strict rules and regulations about alcohol and drug use. And the Warren Mission has such a policy. This project of yours is simply a waste of a good facility and of money. It is not for redevelopment of the downtown area. Perhaps you should have gotten more support for your idea before you arrogently went ahead and decided this was what the TC needed.

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Jan-29-13 11:17 AM

This is still a project that hinges on attracting people who need help.

That is not downtown redevelopment. That is not attractive to investors. This is the kind of "downtown living" that is a liability to trying to look attractive to those who do not need help.

We are down to hand-to-hand combat when it comes to "bringing back" our downtown. I'm afraid I cannot help but feel that something like this run contrary to those efforts.

Thank you for your very polite and considered responses, Cookie. I'm sure we will be on the same page again one day...

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Jan-29-13 9:56 AM

I wonder how many people who are posting on this thread are actual users of the YWCA pool and fitness equiptment? Oh other than you usblues.

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Jan-29-13 9:06 AM

Nativio - the Y is not going to be taking homeless women off the street. They will not be the "sit at home and watch TV and collect welfare and free housing" type women. They will be women who have left abusive relationships, or single mothers who have lost jobs, and need help getting their lives back together. The Y will also be offering many programs and classes that will enable these women to become self-supporting members of our community, who can then move out of the Y and into the Packard Apartments.

That figure "per apartment" you have quoted? A large part of that building is being remodeled, so the Y can use the building for programs that are relevant for today's needs, not the needs of the 50's.

I usually agree with you, friend, but you are off base with this one.

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Jan-29-13 8:49 AM

Reader, there are three fitness centers with pools, YMCA, Q-Club and the Jewish Community Center. When the Y pool was closed, Avalon also had theirs open. How many people in this area would use a sauna (the old fashioned Finn type), realistically, enough to keep one open?

They Y offers wonderful programs. You are so hung up on vilifying the management from the 80's and 90's that you aren't looking at the great things the YWCA offers now.

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Jan-29-13 7:14 AM

While I agree that this is not a smart project I disagree with the sentiment being expressed by some. These are not all people who have burned all their bridges by drinking, stealing and drugs. Some of these people have had this siuation thrust upon them by life itself. Medical problems, unemployment or death of a spouse are just a few reasons. Keep in mind alot of us our just 2 or 3 paychecks away from being in dire straits.

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Jan-29-13 6:23 AM

You still don't get it. People started leaving the YW in droves in the 80s and 90s because of the people that were brought in to run it. The operation of the facility totally changed/declined and people left. Let's get back to management and understanding the product that you are trying to bring to the public. You become competitive for one. You advertise like you use to with two-page ads 3 or 4 times a year. You offer children's classes in the summer besides those offered by Trumbull County schools. You say the YW does not need a pool? Who are you to make that judgment for the community? How many of these other fitness places have a pool? None that I know of--except one in Garretsville. If you need that type of exercise for health reasons, you must go to a therapy/rehab place or go to WGH when they hold open swims. How many places have a sauna?--the old Finn type with cedar wood. How about a whirlpool? No you are not going to whitewash this with me.

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Jan-28-13 9:58 PM

Well, cookie, yes, the keeping of the pool may have not been viable. I can understand that.

But please explain how this is not a homeless shelter. It has been reported that the women and children who this was made for are homeless or at risk of soon being homeless.

Is the spin that since they will be in programs and paying thirty percent of their income as rent then this is not a shelter?

So it is a cross between the family mission and section 8 housing.... Still a disgrace to call this some sort of redevelopment plan....Still ridiculous to talk a about it like it is something grand for downtown.

Pull the other finger.

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Jan-28-13 6:33 PM

Has even one of you who has posted here actually talked to the Director of the YWCA to learn what IS planned for the Y? Do any of you KNOW what is planned for the Y? If you can't answer "yes" to both of these questions, stop talking.

The YWCA does not need a pool. Not enough people used it recently to pay for keeping it open. The Y had exercise equipment, fitness classes and a pool when there was no where else for women to go. There are now several gyms in the area that anyone can join for as little as $10 a month. And, in case you were not aware, most YWCAs had housing for women before they had pools. The YWCA is NOT going to become a homeless shelter. Find out what you are talking about before you start talking.

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Jan-28-13 6:26 PM

We are an enabling society. There are programs to help woman but instead it us easier to just out them in a building and let them for low rent. I hate that they are demolishing it. Why didn't they try to get grants for the pool??? Oh that's right it's easier to get grants for low income housing.

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Jan-28-13 2:39 PM

Everyone has agendas and axes to grind in this town... But the amount of e-mails and phone calls I got yesterday pinning lots of problems on a certain woman involved with this was outstanding.

I guess when you are seemingly instrumental in getting rid of a beloved high school building, people aren't going to dig you too much in this town.

I have to say, helping bring another homeless shelter in downtown Warren has put her off my Christmas card list for awhile.

And again I have to wonder if Mr. Coon, when he was being lobbied to start his Packard Apartments project, was told of the great redevelopment project that is a homeless shelter right across the street!

YOU CANNOT EXPECT PEOPLE TO SPEND MILLIONS ON PRIVATE REDEVELOPMENT AND BE HAPPY SHILLING FOR THESE HUD/CHARITY/POOR PEOPLE PROJECTS. We are at the point in Warren where it has to be either/or. Nobody is going to want to spend their own money in a town that considers a homeless shelter "investment" into the downto

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Jan-28-13 2:14 PM

Have you ever seen or heard of any postings when these board positions become available? No, they are usually appointments in a closed society--perhaps even political. The same nutty ideas keep getting recycled by the same people, and other members of board (even those that are elected) sometimes sit there shaking their heads yes. It is my opinion why we keep getting the same old same old. We need fresh ideas and we need people who sit on these boards to acvtively engage in the ideas brought to them. It is ok to say no.

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