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Golf course’s fate in doubt

January 25, 2013

WARREN — The manager of the Old Avalon Golf course says his company, OAG LLC, will no longer operate the course due to a disagreement about $100,000 in needed improvement....

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gwhite83

Jan-26-13 6:39 PM

The people who post these dumb comments should be ashamed...oh wait, you people from warren with small minds have no clue. I've been a part of a league at Avalon South for 15 years and let me tell you that course has never looked better..the attention Mr. Kouvas has given that course has been appreciated by us "regulars" It's easy to comment on the city and mr. Kouvas when you remain nameless and spineless. Have any of you done something/anything to improve a landmark in our town? finally, the personal life of a person should not be commented by those of us that have no frickin clue what's going on...small town = small stupid minds

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NachoCheese

Jan-26-13 12:44 AM

The city owning a golf course in Howland is a remnant of past greed and aggression by administrations that kept trying to gobble up their neighbors.

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NachoCheese

Jan-26-13 12:41 AM

The city of Warren needs to be OUT of the golf course business. With so many other things screwed up in the city, why do they even meddle in things like this? SELL THE COURSE to someone who knows what they are doing.

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moonie

Jan-25-13 7:11 PM

Pahoota - This was a bad move for the city because it was a bad investment and one that is costing the city dearly with the well over $300,000 they are owed. The City of Warren can NOT afford these types of bad decisions. The golf course needed saved back then? Too bad. How is that the city's problem? Close it and wait for another buyer.

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pahootaman

Jan-25-13 3:06 PM

@moonie, still not seeing the outrage in a city owning a golf course. Isn't that similar local governments owning a park or other public/private space? I would say the guy leasing the property is the deadbeat, not the city. I agree that the city faltered on enforcing collection much earlier though.

also, I dub thee Trib grammar nazi "of" the day, take your bow.

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thebear402

Jan-25-13 1:53 PM

Many city own golf courses, doesn't the city of Youngstown own Stambaugh? My question is why Warren would own a course outside its boundaries. They don't make any money on these courses, and if it's not even in your boundaries, chances are the people enjoying it are not your residents. So how'd they get involved in the first place?

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buffett

Jan-25-13 12:13 PM

*There is someone interested in taking over the golf course,Warren wont even talk to him. *Greg Hicks said "We are willing to work with people who have good businesses" Really Greg?? *If a tree fell on someone while golfing, how would Warren like that lawsuit? *Hey Warren..are you going to plant wildflowers on the golf course too? *Cantalamessa,Hicks and Franklin can not be trusted ...watch them!!!

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moonie

Jan-25-13 11:46 AM

The City of Warren has NO BUSINESS owning a golf course..particularly one that they haven't received a payment on in over 3 years. Warren just keeps getting worse.

Pahoota..."must of"...does that even make sense? It's "must have". Where did you go to school?

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pahootaman

Jan-25-13 11:36 AM

This guys must of been wearing a pair of "Bad Idea" jeans when he thought it would be a great idea to pour $100K into something he doesn't own and was told he wouldn't be compensated for.

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Citizen1

Jan-25-13 10:18 AM

I'll buy it

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insider

Jan-25-13 9:51 AM

Can anyone give me a reason why any city should own a golf course? Aren't there enough privately owned courses to go around?

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thebear402

Jan-25-13 8:28 AM

Can someone explain to me how the city of Warren owns a golf course in Howland Township? Can someone give me the history on that?

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FamilyGuy

Jan-25-13 8:25 AM

Specifically which elected official(s) allowed the operators to get so far behind in their payments without taking action?

Why does this person (persons) still have a job in the city?

Didn't the previous operator also stiff the city by making no payments over a long time without reprocussions?

If you owed the city that much money every year, do you think the city would let you skate Scott free?

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aquaboy

Jan-25-13 7:20 AM

another example of the state of Warren Ohio and its so called leadership

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Zenieth

Jan-25-13 7:00 AM

This doesn't surprise me one bit. They can't keep up with anything either. Leadership is severely suffering.

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DHSmith

Jan-25-13 6:03 AM

the city needs a golf course like it needs another bar. It ran that one as efficently as it has run the rest of the town

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MD1533USMC

Jan-25-13 3:19 AM

Kouvas ran the course on a shoe string! He was out of his element trying to run a golf course! He did just as much damage to the course as he did in improvements by not paying for the right equipment, sand, chemicals, etc to maintain the golf course in the proper fashion needed! Get ride of this guy as he's a looser when it comes to running and marketing a golf course! Period!

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