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Forum: ‘Critical issues’ faced (video)

200 residents gather in Champion

January 17, 2013

CHAMPION — Nearly 200 residents gathered Wednesday in the Champion High School cafeteria for a school forum on how to handle education with less funding....

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visaguin2005

Jan-20-13 3:28 PM

@defeatsbb5

Seems like facts have taken over the argument and you have nothing to counter the argument anymore. Seems like even you know that about 80 percent of voters agreed with SB5's provisions to remove teacher unions abilities to strike and you know had SB5 went after only teachers it would have passed! Sounds like you may be a teacher and I hope the people of champion refuse to increase taxes and force these school districts to cut wages before cutting classes and increasing class sizes.

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DefeatSBB5

Jan-20-13 8:33 AM

Yechchchchc!

Couple of envious haters.

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TAXED2DEATH

Jan-19-13 6:14 PM

@visaguin2005

Well said and completely accurate. Teachers are living in their own little fantasy world.

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visaguin2005

Jan-19-13 9:26 AM

No I'm basing 2080 on the standards set in FLSA. I'm basing it on the fact that in Champion in 2010 teachers worked only 183 days. I'm basing in the fact that teachers get all weekends off, all holidays off, snow days off, they get 1 hour prep periods, they get lunch, they have half days, and they get three months off in the Summer to go and work a secondary job and they still make more than he average American. Some, make more than a full-time professors at some universities AND I base it on the fact that most police officers and firefighters in the United States make less money than they do even after overtime is calculated AND that police and firefighters have real worries to consider and real stress that they take home with them on a nightly basis. Oh and did I mention when the teachers get upset and don't get their way they strike and use our children's education to their advantage to increase their wages! AND we still, are behind in our education compared to other countries!

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DefeatSBB5

Jan-18-13 10:27 AM

"The average person works 2080 hours in a year."

Oh really. Visaguin?

Want to know what I'm tired of? People like you padding their stats because they don't know what they're talking about?

1464 hours? You are basing that on 52 5-day work weeks a year, right?

None of these "average" folks you're talking about gets any holidays?

Any of them get a vacation?

Want to know what I'm tired of? I'm tired of everyone assuming teachers are the only people in the world who have it easy, and that EVERYONE else works the whole year!

Total ccrraapp!

You don't want to pay highly skilled, professional educators a living wage, fine! Say so, without trying to justify your miserliness with phoney figures about who works what!

Bottom line, you don't care about anything but venting your envy.

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visaguin2005

Jan-17-13 9:43 PM

Check out the Ohio transparency project and take a look at college professors at YSU, Kent State, and Ohio State. Some assistant professors who are considered full-time don't even make as much as public sector educators.

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visaguin2005

Jan-17-13 9:42 PM

I am so sick and tired of listening to people tell me that teachers spend so much time preparing for class. 183 days worked is 1464 hours. The average person works 2080 hours in a year. So, what you are trying to tell me is between the 616 hours they are not working they are preparing for class and grading papers? That means on top of the 8 hour days they are spending roughly 3.36 additional hours at home each night Monday-Friday preparing and grading papers? Oh and lets not forget about the one hour prep period most school districts allow for their teachers. There is an additional 183 hours they have to, "prepare" for class. School districts make so many excuses and it is the salaries that destroy most and the teachers prey on the fear that the public will vote to increase funding yet they will strike at the first opportunity to increase their pay. Teachers need to come back into reality and join the real world.

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UneducatedDrone

Jan-17-13 9:16 PM

If payroll gets cut anyway, then why don't we just we cut payroll WITHOUT cutting classes and programs and services and teachers? Just cut it the same amount, that's all.

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DefeatSBB5

Jan-17-13 9:08 PM

"...the district has closed libraries, eliminated computer classes, increased class sizes and suspend the accelerated reading program, among other cuts. There's also a proposal to eliminate the elementary guidance program and to reduce nursing staff."

What do you think the above is doing?

These cuts are ALL about not just reducing payroll but eliminating it.

When you cut classes and programs and services and teachers, you cut payroll.

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UneducatedDrone

Jan-17-13 7:09 PM

"...the district has closed libraries, eliminated computer classes, increased class sizes and suspend the accelerated reading program, among other cuts. There's also a proposal to eliminate the elementary guidance program and to reduce nursing staff."

Anyone notice the one glaring omission?

The only facet of the budget that is large enough to make any real difference is payroll. This is simply where any meaningful cuts are going to have to come from.

"Yeah, let's take [25%] of the budget, and cut everything we can from that portion, because the other [75%] absolutely cannot be touched. In fact, it must continually increase over time."

Payroll simply must be cut, starting with the highest-paid employees. The lowest-paid on the payroll are probably barely even eating.

The starting point would be the retire/rehire superintendent Hood, who's raking in $200,000/yr.

Nickle & dime all you want. Sooner or later, you'll see it isn't working.

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TAXED2DEATH

Jan-17-13 6:53 PM

"At $66K, top of the scale, 15+ years of experience, and a Master's degree, you people are getting a bargain. A steal! They should call the cops, because you're robbing these teachers."

Give me a break! Just tell that to all the people in Champion who are just keeping their heads above water. WE CAN NOT AFFORD MORE TAXES!!!

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DefeatSBB5

Jan-17-13 9:37 AM

"For 8 hour days that is $45.21 an hour."

So all that prep/evaluation time is what? Free?

Do you have any inkling as to what the term "salary" means?

At $66K, top of the scale, 15+ years of experience, and a Master's degree, you people are getting a bargain. A steal! They should call the cops, because you're robbing these teachers.

Of course, you could try to do away with teacher's unions, fire all the old-timers, and hire recent grads at bargain-basement entry-level wages every few years; or you could go back to the "school-marm" days of the one-room schoolhouse, using the smartest kid as the teacher.

Heck! Good enough for our great-grandparents!

Or you could have Mr. ****le's great-aunt hang out a shingle and have the neighborhood kids pay 2-pence per week for the improving opportunity of watching her sleep.

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arivercryme

Jan-17-13 6:08 AM

visaguin...do some basic math. Even if you cut those 16 teachers' pay in half, you only save roughly $400k. Oh, any by the way, to cut a teachers' pay in half to something around 35k...and the teacher has been in the district 20-25 years is crazy to begin with.

The schools need more cash, sad to say. Now, that is not to say that the Champion School System is perfect. Spending 6,000 so a telemarketing firm could call Champion residents to ask them their opinion on the schools and the past levy in Nov was ignorant. And don't tell me that money was from the teachers' "professional development" fund. Irregardless, it is taxpayers money.

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visaguin2005

Jan-17-13 5:09 AM

According to the Ohio Treasurer's Transparency Project, in 2010, 16 teachers in the Champion School District made $66,202.00 and worked 183 days. For 8 hour days that is $45.21 an hour. On top of that, if those teachers get upset, they can strike. Schools can do the same for less, reduce the salaries to what the normal American makes per hour.

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EarlyRiser

Jan-17-13 4:18 AM

I will bet 5 bucks that as soon as a levy passes all will get raises. Time to check when their contract is up, probably real soon.

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WarrenProud

Jan-17-13 12:40 AM

85% of the cost of school education today is salaries and benefits. I suggest they look there first for maximum impact cuts.

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